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Knezzen Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot	Reply #75 on: October 04, 2022, 09:19 Quote from: 68040 On another note: How did Knezzen get his profile pic?! The function is implemented in the forum software, but not in the current theme. You need to pester @Bolkonskij to implement the function here as well

68040 512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !	Reply #76 on: October 04, 2022, 09:49 Consider him pestered!!

Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #77 on: October 04, 2022, 11:28 Avatars are just bloat slowing down page rendering on real 68k Macs - the old browsers can only handle so many requests at a time. So I kicked the code out, sorry. :-) @m68k well spoken. I think that post of yours sums up pretty much what a lot of us love about Mac OS. And it explains, why we still cling to our oh-so-outdated setups yet still get work done using it. Of course, in your case you still need to see the light and convert to speedy Mac OS 7.6.1, especially now that HFS+ shall give it extra speed and has Mac OS 8.x only see its red lights, but your statement is nonetheless 100% spot on. ;-) @cballero I was aware of both being "troublemakers". It's a given with any virus software that does sort of active scanning and Adobe has had this reputation to churn out inferior Mac versions of their stuff ever since the mid-to-late 90s. I remember the anger at "dumbed down" Mac versions e.g. of Acrobat. I was just interested how this incompatibility manifested itself on 68040 Mac, but thanks anyway.
Last Edit: October 06, 2022, 08:59 by Bolkonskij
cballero 1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever	Reply #78 on: October 04, 2022, 13:25 68040 is right of course The Mac came to redefine the personal computing landscape and influence everything else that came after. But back then it was more pure, its goals were sharply defined and it basically did more with less. The processors were just powerful enough to get whatever job needed to get done done. So simple updates like porting a nice eBook reader to 68k should be feasible, skinning (and who knows, possibly expanding) MPEGDEC (and I know, it's all about getting ones hands on the source code) all of these things can be done. I keep on saying it: 68k assembly code unlocks creating optimized software of small size and fastest speed; apparently, it may also the most painful programming, and it is in the sense that it only works with 68k Mac processors, but that's a fair price to pay for something dedicated to a sole platform (as a small reward, Classic PPC Macs are 68k-compatible as well running the Classic environment, so it runs quite nicely and fast on all of them as well, even though it's not optimized for them. I ran my favorite 68k assembly apps like WriteNow in it. I of course cheated on my eMac running Tiger 10.4 by running Mac OS 9.2.2 from an image and putting a alias of the image in the Startup items to keep the two OSes completely separate and that worked like a charm! Back then there weren't any hacks to jimmy booting Mac OS 9.2.2 from the eMac, but I was just stoked that I even got Tiger unofficially running on that super-sized iMac!

68040 512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !	Reply #79 on: October 04, 2022, 13:45 Dear Bolkonskij, my "slow" 8.1 setup can handle web browsing with Avatar images just fine. Specially now that I put my cache on a 128MB RAM drive. So who is showing whom the big red tail light? @cballero - Properly optimized assembler code will always beat any high level bloat by leaps and bounds. But commercial software develooment is all about money and not about technology. So you just keep forcing the user to buy new hardware, so their systems can handle the latest SW bloat whose primary "improvement" is adding yet more layers requiring even more CPU power to compute. Its a viscious cycle that has kept the IT industry running in overdrive for decades by now - at our expense.
Last Edit: October 04, 2022, 13:51 by 68040
Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #80 on: October 04, 2022, 18:09 Quote Dear Bolkonskij, my "slow" 8.1 setup can handle web browsing with Avatar images just fine. Specially now that I put my cache on a 128MB RAM drive. So who is showing whom the big red tail light? The 7.6 on your system shows the red lights to the 8.1 on your system. If you'd give it a try! 8.1 is sooo ... I heard Robert Habeck actually likes 8.1, and that is telling! :-D http://revontulet.org/2022/10/04/os81fan.jpg The aim is really to keep the forum open for 68030 machines. Lord knows, that's difficult enough since we don't want a backend / security from 1997 ...

Neal_SE30 256 MB Posts: 401 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #81 on: October 04, 2022, 21:56 I have that very boxed os in my cupboard 😆 Not opened it though as it is a sealed version. I brought it off ebay for my 6200 but ended up putting 8.5 on that machine. Still bloaty compared to 7 😆 and yes imagines and even smiling icons don’t come out well on my se/30
Last Edit: October 04, 2022, 22:07 by Neal_SE30
68040 512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !	Reply #82 on: October 05, 2022, 08:08 Bolkonskij & Habeck - I can photoshop better on my emulated 68040 with both eyes closed. 🤪 🤣 And matter of fact: Staring too long at that blasé expression of pure ignorance might negatively impact any reasonable person's eyesight. So you should slap a warning label on that b1tch. 😬 My aim is to get as much done as possible on my vintage box, not just sit in front of a game screenshot and marvel about the old days. But don't take my word for it, listen to the extperts at lowendmac: Quote "Mac OS 8 introduced many new features for Macintosh users. The Finder changes are the first you’ll notice. These changes are deeper than just Apple Platinum; many features that are still part of the Macintosh today made their first appearance in Mac OS 8: Spring Loaded Folders: Drag a file or folder and then pause, holding it over a folder or disk. After a short delay, the folder or disk will darken, flash, and then open. This process can be repeated over and over until you finally reach your destination. When you drop the file or folder, all the windows that opened snap shut again, leaving only the destination window. Cheryl England, then of MacAddict magazine, described the experience as “[somewhat like] having someone pick up your socks for you.” Contextual Menus: Holding down Control while clicking activates this new feature. A popup menu appears with appropriate options for the object on which you’re clicking. These are not Windows 95 style right-click menus, either; their contents change dynamically. For example, Empty Trash only appears in the Trash’s Contextual Menu when there’s actually something in the Trash. ... Multithreaded Finder: With Mac OS 8, you no longer needed to install Speed Doubler just to keep working while files are copying. The Multithreaded Finder of Mac OS 8 allows everything to keep on truckin’, even while you’re copying up a storm. It has a nicer-looking interface than Speed Doubler, too. Completeness: Mac OS 8 includes almost everything. It builds upon System 7.6’s inclusion of Open Transport PPP by shipping a full suite of Internet connectivity software. Both Netscape and Microsoft’s version 3 browsers are installed by default, along with lots of useful online utilities, such as Stuffit Expander. Modern Networking: Mac OS 8 was also the first system software version to come with the ability to access printer and file sharing over TCP/IP networks. With the default installation, Mac OS 8 includes everything in my Modern System 7.5 article and more!" Who could argue against such well seasoned wisdom? 😆 Now let's concentrate on revealing the truth about the awful conspiracy to assassinate the promised Messiah 68060 CPU from that grassy knoll of deceitful PPC bliss.
Last Edit: October 05, 2022, 08:37 by 68040
cballero 1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever	Reply #83 on: October 05, 2022, 19:40 Again, I see them both 7.6 and 8.1 as one-and-the-same OS, one with a bit more speed, the other some heavy finder updates So as far as the avatar situation goes, the forum software will not allow users who want to turn them on to simply turn them on? Then you can keep the standard setting at off and those users won't see anyone's avatars (I get to not use them for the given slow Macs, but it'd be nice to have a way to choose your poison, lol) I love the little finder updates 8.1 offers, just wish they could be captured for System 7.6.1, although idk if anything crucial breaks in 8.. 68040, do you have any 'show-stoppers' (as far as programs or tools that is) that wouldn't work on 7.6.1? I know a lot of things like OT can be manually updated in both systems and of course, HFS+ is now available for 7.6, so I'm cautiously optimistic that the differences are more just the finder ones like button view, spring-loaded folders, contextual menu (which funny enough, I love PopupFolder enough to not miss the CM feature too much in 8!)

Neal_SE30 256 MB Posts: 401 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #84 on: October 05, 2022, 22:34 Apologies i’ve been quiet, i go on holiday tomorrow and been full on at work before i go. Looking forward to coming back and starting my projects and trying some of your tweaks. Not used popups so something to try. The one thing i really want/miss from modern systems is a scroll wheel on the mouse, that is a hack I would really want although I don’t want to ruin the looks either. If you have any software hacks for that, that would make my day

68040 512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !	Reply #85 on: October 05, 2022, 22:39 So, I finished cleaning out doublets and zombies from my font collection and now what's left is to define some meaningful sets for productive use.

MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #86 on: October 06, 2022, 07:07 Quote from: cballero, who had mentioned: " skinning (and who knows, possibly expanding) MPEGDEC (and I know, it's all about getting ones hands on the source code) " The source code for MpegDec is located inside of the .hqx download from the official site. -I don't know if the Mac Garden's copy includes the source in with its download, but the official copy does. It appears to include Stéphane Tavenard's original Amiga libs that were used for porting MpegDec to Macintosh as well. I'm no programmer so won't be delving, but knowing where to find it may be useful to others. [Edit] The MG's copy also includes the src.
Last Edit: October 06, 2022, 07:20 by MTT
Neal_SE30 256 MB Posts: 401 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #87 on: October 06, 2022, 09:37 What are you wanting to do in the source code?

Cashed 128 MB Posts: 192 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #88 on: October 06, 2022, 18:32 Quote keep the forum open for 68030 machines. Keep the doors open -I plan on getting my 68000 on-line on S7T!

68040 512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !	Reply #89 on: October 06, 2022, 20:10 Wasn't there a 68060 upgrade card for the Mac once?

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