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Bolkonskij
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Reply #30 on: May 02, 2024, 12:53
wove, I also enjoy opening up these "time-capsules" and reading about how users perceived certain things when they were new. It allows to reflect on "computing axioms". Like how used we've become to using a mouse as an input device! Yet in the comment you can read how the user struggles with using a mouse in a word processor ("It's tough for me to get the cursor into the middle of a word"). We take a lot in computing for granted and rarely ever question it. It's old posts like these that open up the perspective for me. |
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Last Edit: May 02, 2024, 16:15 by Bolkonskij
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wove
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Reply #31 on: May 02, 2024, 13:39
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What goes around, comes around. My youngest Granddaughter is now in middle school. The school system uses tablets (iPads) rather than computers. So anyway she is much like myself in the mid 80s, seeing a mouse as a rather clunky device for input. I gave her an old computer, but it just set in the closet. She said it was clunky to use and just took up too much space. I replaced the computer with an AIO with a touch screen. She uses it, by putting a pillow on the desk and laying the AIO on it, using the AIO much like one would use a drafting table. Anyway it is interesting that I have seen the computer mouse revolutionize computing only over time become seen as too clunky to be easily usable. And 40 years ago that was my first reaction to a mouse as well.
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Neal_SE30
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Reply #32 on: May 02, 2024, 22:45
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I remember having to constantly clean the ball and rollers, the rollers in particular were a pain, normally a paper clip or something similar and 10 minutes of my life. I think my first mouse experience was around my friends house when he was brought an Atari ST for his birthday, I must have been 12-13, it was quite an alien experience at the time as I was still using my 8-bit zx spectrum with cassette storage and a whopping 48k. Actually using a mouse properly myself was a Mac II at college, awesome for graphic design and never looked back, made so much better by optical ones. I never got on with roller ball devices or track pads. So thank you Apple for popularizing the mouse. What is an AIO Wove?
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lauland
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Reply #33 on: May 02, 2024, 23:26
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Oh my gosh, I really don't miss cleaning those little mouse rollers from...whatever it was they were always getting gummed up with...compressed skin flakes? Gah! My first experience with a mouse was being in awe of seeing a Lisa in a showroom...I was disappointed that it seemed to be turned off. I walked up to it and curiously touched the mouse...and jumped when the screen lit up! My first experience with a screen saver, too! My best friend in High School was an artist. She got one of the first Amigas when they came out and produced some amazing digital art. She described drawing with a mouse being like drawing with a potato!
Last Edit: May 02, 2024, 23:28 by lauland
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snes1423
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Reply #34 on: May 03, 2024, 00:15
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My dell has a 2002-ish black PS/2 mouse with a ball in it
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wove
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Reply #35 on: May 03, 2024, 00:29
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Quote from: “Neal_SE30” What is an AIO Wove? AIO is all in one. An Se/30 is an AIO as all compact Macs, iMacs, eMacs, etc. The unit I was referring to specifically was a 24” Lenovo. The inputs/outputs on the device are all parallel to the front, so one can pop off the stand and lay it flat on the desk. It takes touch and stylus input making. It into something of white board. When the grandkids stop over we plop it down on the table and have fun in a draw/paint program. (Typically TuxPaint, mine does not run a Mac OS.)
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Bolkonskij
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Reply #36 on: May 06, 2024, 17:28
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Quote from: Barbara Koalkin, Product Manager Macintosh on May 3rd, 1984 1. The external 3 1/2 " drive for Macintosh will be available for sale at all dealers next week. The Sony drives are extremely reliable, and failure rates are very low. What a small world the computing world was! Directly calling Apple's Manager of Distribution because of a technical problem and enjoying a liberary of 9 (NINE!) software titles available, what a choice :-) I guess it's really hard to grasp how things were back then from where we are today ...
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Bolkonskij
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Reply #37 on: June 08, 2024, 06:03
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Quote from: Tony Siegman, 5th Jun 84 Great pride attaches to Mac's small footprint -- only "x" inches wide and "y" inches deep. In fact, I have a shelf just "y" inches in depth right beside my desk...obviously a great place to put the Mac. Another "original" 1984 complaint... and actually a pretty good one. Interesting comparison with vacuums. I would have loved such an elegant solution for the "cable mess".
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Bolkonskij
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Reply #38 on: September 19, 2024, 07:47
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Somewhat controversial voices are being heard after Apple announced the 512k Mac ("Fat Mac") back in late 1984 and I've found them entertaining and interesting to read. Remember it the next time you feel bad about churning out 100$ to have your System 7 Mac recapped ;-) Quote from: Mike Conley, 18-Sep-1984 I just received news concerning the Fat Mac, of which we have all heard so much: the Macintosh, with 512K. It has been released and is on its way, delivery date approximately three weeks (or thereabouts; delivery dates haven't been Apple's strong point lately).
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68040
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Reply #39 on: September 19, 2024, 09:22
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Woah, they were able to use that kind o'language in 1984? :O Somebody should have told the author, that the PC business isn't the salvation army.
Last Edit: September 19, 2024, 09:24 by 68040
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wove
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Reply #40 on: September 19, 2024, 13:12
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For those who are looking for a new English idiom the proper smack down for Apple reviewers right from the first Apple products up to the latest Apple products would be: "They would complain if you hung them with a new rope." <https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/you%27d+complain+if+you+were+hung+with+a+new+rope>
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Bolkonskij
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Reply #41 on: September 20, 2024, 17:13
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Yesteryear's cool college kid knew how to talk smack, huh? :-) But he made a point. Lots of angry people talking about it. Maybe unlike today's generation who accept everything with a shrug. Here's a reply to college kid: Quote from: Michael Ward, 19-Sep-1984 Hooray for Mike Conley for telling it like it is. Except that he was a little to kind. He forgot to mention that if we had all waited just a few months we could have saved ourselves some big bucks. We (at least me) tend to think that Apple was a better company in the past than it is now. Well, maybe that's wrong ...
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lauland
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Reply #42 on: September 20, 2024, 20:12
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And remember the prices quoted are in 1980's dollars! It blows my mind how expensive computers were back in the day, and makes me grateful for how (comparably) cheap everything is these days (for the power you get). Also makes me thankful for my parents back then, spending that much cash...well, I didn't get a Mac, just commodores, but they still took a big bite out of their budget. In the end it paid off handsomely for me personally, leading to my tech career. I still remember my Dad complaining about how many games my brother and I played...but when I started WRITING games, he changed his tune...reluctantly, as much as he was able. "Games?!? How are you going to make money on games?!?". Of course games were just the start...I learned 6502 and 68000 assembly for games at first, but since I was self taught on the side, I tended to ace my computer classes. (Until we got to the real "Science" part of "Computer Science"...) I still fondly remember my college m68k assembly course, where I got to use my first Mac...and learned the crucial difference between an SE and an SE/30! (Not everyone knew, so I'd jump on the SE/30's if I had a choice). I basically only needed to learn how to use the Mac, the assembler, and MacsBug. I already knew the m68k like the back of my hand from my Amiga at home. Trivia: I learned m68k assembly by looking at the output from a Pascal compiler...so my assembly had (and still does) a very "compiler" look to it, always being a good citizen setting up stack frames, etc. Although maybe I'm misremembering...did I really know Pascal before I knew m68k assembly?!?
Last Edit: September 20, 2024, 20:15 by lauland
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MTT
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Reply #43 on: September 27, 2024, 08:33
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Spotted when searching a certain BCS Mac PD CD: Quote from: Steve Jasik, 1985; "Andy Hertzfeld talks to the Stanford techies, Feb 28 Wow, we had to wait until US Fall 1985 for double-sided floppy disks AND HFS ! ![]() The Mac Plus may have been in development stages at the time, so maybe Jan 1986 was the big day.
Last Edit: September 27, 2024, 08:45 by MTT
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lauland
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Reply #44 on: September 27, 2024, 17:06
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Found this fascinating internal Apple document, a snapshot of what they were working on in 1989. "Big Bang" or, as we know it, "System 7". "Blue book" in two parts: https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_applemacbl1989_63895465/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_applemacbl1989_50173575/mode/2up It's a little hard to read...not just the irritating "57" watermark that appears on every page...but also because all the bizarre Apple codenames for things, but recognizable with some guess work. Things like a "Sofa" ended up being what we know as an "Alias"! ("Bass"="TrueType", "Skia"="QuickDraw GX", etc etc etc). Some of the names are known if you look them up... But fascinating seeing them struggle with things that in hindsight seem obvious to us...and the humor and irreverence... "Blue" refers to the classic MacOS 6/7/8/9 we know and love, current at the time, as opposed to "Pink" which was going to be the future, based on the color of the post it's to denote ideas on boards at meeting, or so the stories go. Here's a document all about "Pink"..with more bizarre codenames: https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_applemacpi990_138580558/mode/2up "Pink" would've been a future Apple OS that, from what I can tell, grew/mutated out of the MacApp class library (similar to PowerPlant), eventually became Taligent, and then died on the vine when (because?) it became a joint IBM project. Shocking to see they seem to have had actual running/booting code...at least at some, since parts of the document refer it. Fully object oriented, very future oriented...although...how could they have predicted the Internet?!? A lot of amazing ideas that we didn't get for another two decades until MacOS X. I don't think anything was salvaged, other than concepts. I'm going to make an educated guess that the kernel and drivers WERE reused for Copland, the erstwhile "MacOS 8" that also failed and was canceled. A lot of the terms and concepts are extremely familiar, like having "Teams" of processes/threads, etc. But that was pretty much it, Copland was far less futuristic than "Pink". Bittersweet to see so many cool "Apple" ideas that never bore fruit...and so tempting to imagine what would've come out of it if IBM hadn't gotten involved...but, realistically, if they couldn't pull off "Copland", there's probably no way they had the resources for something as huge as "Pink"...
Last Edit: September 27, 2024, 17:10 by lauland
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