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Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #30 on: December 10, 2024, 13:45 It is! Go ahead and download it. I'm "beta testing" the new builds on my IIci. It works. It's no speed demon but I'm connecting, downloading stuff and chatting on a 1989 Mac IIci. Pretty neat!

Knezzen Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot	Reply #31 on: December 10, 2024, 15:47 Quote from: 68040 Make it 68k compatible, please. It's a FAT binary, kind 68k enthusiast.

ShinobiKenobi 256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan	Reply #32 on: March 02, 2025, 00:44 I get a 1,010 error when I try to run it on my 7200. Both with version 2.0.53 and 2.0.60. Here's the info. 7200: SSW 7.6.1 OT 1.3 AT 1.3 AT driver 60.3 AS 3.6.4 It's hard to find out what the error is, because so many different things seem to cause it. Just on this page (modern browser needed) alone, there are several different situations in which is arises.

68040 512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !	Reply #33 on: March 06, 2025, 10:00 Quote from: Knezzen It's a FAT binary, kind 68k enthusiast. I'm not fat, just well rounded.

lauland 512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!	Reply #34 on: March 06, 2025, 16:29 I don't think I've ever seen that error before personally...ever? The page at the link you mentioned references Code Fragments, among many causes a missing shared lib (aka Extension). (Yes, quite a lot, but that's most likely) The first thing to try would be to check if you have something disabled that looks likely... Otherwise, I'm going to try and reproduce your error. I run HotStuff almost daily in Basilisk, but in MacOS 8.1 (with OT 1.3). I'm downloading the retail 7.6.1 iso and will give it a try. (I wanted to be able to have 7.6.1 on it anyway!) ---- EDIT: Running HostStuff 2.0.54 right now in stock 7.6.1...I'll be doing so when I regularly use it and will let you know if I see any errors. NOTE: 7.6.1 ships with OT 1.1 (just noting this as a difference). You should definitely use Extensions Manager and try booting with "Mac OS 7.6.1 all" selected.
Last Edit: March 06, 2025, 16:48 by lauland
ShinobiKenobi 256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan	Reply #35 on: March 07, 2025, 01:09 @lauland When should I use Extensions manager and when should I manually move extensions using the Finder? I've seen both ways recommended. I've been doing it manually using the Finder. But I just now went into Extensions manager and it said something about not having the right set... don't remember exactly. Anyway, the options were update, revert, and create new set. I clicked update. I remember someone on a different website suggesting that File Sharing Lib was probably missing, but I checked it on my 7200, and the file sharing extension is active. I tried HotStuff again, and got the same error. So I just now tried it using 7.6.1 all, and still got the same error.

lauland 512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!	Reply #36 on: March 07, 2025, 01:54 Naw, both ways are fine, by hand or using the Extension Manager. The only reason I asked you to use Extension Manager was so you could use the "all" option, that way I'd know you at least had all the 7.6.1 standard extensions enabled. I was hoping you'd accidentally disabled something. The message about the set is totally normal. It shows that if you've manually moved things...but I've also seen it when an app installs something. It just means what it last thought you had no longer matched what you actually have, so it needed to either update the set or create a new one. (Either of which is fine). The web page link you'd found does include someone talking about the File Sharing Lib...but that'd only be for some particular case, involving file sharing. The error you are getting is VERY general...it just means SOME shared lib isn't getting loaded. Unfortunately it's very hard to determine which...my best guess WAS maybe you'd disabled something standard...but if you selected "all" in Extension Manager, that is less likely. Because your system isn't stock, which we can tell since you have OT 1.3, and I've got 1.1, SOME Extension (or Control Panel) is the most likely cause...but because the error is so general, it could actually be there, but HotStuff still isn't able to load it for some reason. ---- I just tried selecting "Mac OS 7.6.1 Base" in Extensions Manager and rebooting, and HotStuff still works. You should try that. If it works then something else you'd installed is the culprit...you can look in the "(Disabled)" folders in your System Folder and it'd HAVE to be something you find in one of them...but telling WHICH is tricky. On the other hand, if it STILL crashes even with "Base", then it's even trickier...but anyway...give it a try... ---- FYI I just installed "OT 1.3 GM" from MG and rebooted and HotStuff works for me, so it's not your OT version...

Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #37 on: March 07, 2025, 08:08 I can add that I run HotStuff with OT 1.3 on my IIci in System 7.1 and it works as well. No idea about that error either, sorry :-/ seems like some little gremlin in your system is acting up ...

Knezzen Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot	Reply #38 on: March 07, 2025, 09:40 I have seen this error when I had filesystem problems on my 5500 a few years ago. I would try a fresh install on a new drive, if you have one laying around. Sorry you're experiencing this with HotStuff

lauland 512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!	Reply #39 on: March 08, 2025, 00:32 Can't hurt to run Disk First Aid... FYI Knezzen and I happened to be hotline today and another person jumped online and reported getting the same error (1010). They were running Czech MacOS 8.1. Knezzen asked if the same issue happened when using a US keyboard layout, which they reported it did, but gave Knezzen the idea to ask about their Text Encoding Converter extension, as that has been implicated in odd HotLine issues previously in some cases, so you might look into that. FYI When I had set "Base" in Extensions Manager, it disabled that particular extension (among MANY others), and I was able to run HotStuff with no problems with it disabled. I then re-enabled all my extensions, and continued to run HotStuff that way for several hours. For the record, the version of that extension I have is 1.4. Don't know if this'll help, but it's another variable slash data point.

ShinobiKenobi 256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan	Reply #40 on: March 08, 2025, 04:32 I just tried 7.6.1 base, and it didn't help. My version of Text encoding converter is 1.3.1. I installed System 7.5.3 on another partition last week, and I get the same error code on that system also.

lauland 512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!	Reply #41 on: March 08, 2025, 07:10 Hmm...ok...since your 7.5.3 was on a different partition, that makes the theory you needed Disk First Aid less likely...and, since it was a pretty fresh install, unless you modified it too much, makes the possibility that it might be an Extension or ANYTHING in the System Folder WAY less likely... But...if the copy of HotStuff you're running is still on the same partition...maybe THAT partition needs Disk First Aid run on it? I'd otherwise suspect your copy of HotStuff, but you tried two different versions and they can't have BOTH gotten corrupted...but if they did, how?!? Your Text Encoding Converter being older than mine is a bit of a question mark...how'd that happen?!? I used the retail 7.6.1 iso, and then installed OT 1.3 GM on top of it, clean and nothing else installed. Something else you installed must have written over it?!? I don't know if that's a clue, or just a red herring...choosing "Base" in Extension Manager should have disabled it anyway... ---- Anyway, make sure you try Disk First Aid on ALL your partitions. If you have time, you could try reproducing my setup, with the retail 7.6.1 disk and OT 1.3 GM and install NOTHING else on top of it. At least that way, we'd KNOW it wasn't something with your System Folder(s), right? Finally, since it happened in both 7.6.1 and 7.5.3, if it isn't a disk error that Disk First Aid'd can fix...then it could be your hardware...if it's not SOMETHING else on your disk(?!?)...then that'd have to be what it is, right?
Last Edit: March 08, 2025, 07:13 by lauland
ShinobiKenobi 256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan	Reply #42 on: March 08, 2025, 11:31 Well, I can't run Disk First Aid on it, because I must have formatted it as FAT32. It's not an HFS drive. That's hilarious. Maybe I already had files on it when I transferred it into the 7200. I don't remember. Are you talking about the British retail 7.6.1?
Last Edit: March 08, 2025, 11:34 by ShinobiKenobi
lauland 512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!	Reply #43 on: March 08, 2025, 16:41 Aha! You've got Mac Applications on a FAT32 drive?!? If I were a betting man, I'd bet you that IS it. Move HotStuff to an HFS drive ASAP! PC Exchange does a good job preserving resource forks, file and creator types, but it doesn't handle attributes well. It's fine for storing data files, but I would never ever try to run anything from a FAT drive. It's highly likely MacOS wants to lock the Application to run it, and that isn't possible. An aside, it's very dangerous to use a drive that you can't repair easily if it gets corrupted. If it's external, then you can plug it into another machine to fix it, but if it's a partition it could ALSO already be corrupted and you couldn't even tell.

cballero 1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever	Reply #44 on: March 09, 2025, 13:18 Quote from: ShinobiKenobi I can't run Disk First Aid on it, because I must have formatted it as FAT32 yep, that's it (most likely) I bet very few people would put an OS on a MS DOS-based disk format (at least it's good to know that a Mac can actually boot-up on a FAT 32 disk) that's actually a bit shocking! to me at least!!

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