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Knezzen
Administrator 512 MB  Posts: 608 Village idiot 
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on: May 17, 2023, 14:18
Hi! I noticed that Surfmusic.de are enforcing HTTPS nowadays, rendering it useless on anything older than Mac OS 8.6. Are there any alternative internet radiostation directories somewhere or are we doomed? Does anyone feel like emailing the Surfmusic dev and asking him or her not to enforce HTTPS? Someone speaking/writing German fluently perhaps 
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #1 on: May 17, 2023, 14:25
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I will! I have been in contact with him before, he's very open-minded. I rather assume it is his provider who enforced it on him, as they tend to do these days. See what Cornica.org went through ...
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #2 on: May 17, 2023, 14:26
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Ah, yes. Very kind of you! 
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ovalking
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128 MB  Posts: 199
Reply #3 on: May 18, 2023, 22:16
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http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/ I found browsing rather unresponsive, but the search method works ok. To get you started here's a couple of stations local to me :-) BBC Radio Suffolk http://sc6.radiocaroline.net:8040/listen.pls?sid=1 (paste into your player, not web browser!)
Last Edit: May 20, 2023, 16:25 by Bolkonskij
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #4 on: May 19, 2023, 09:09
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Nice find!  Thanks
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #5 on: May 21, 2023, 12:36
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Short status update - sent an e-mail to him yesterday. (late i know, virus had kept me down) Let's see what he'll answer. I do hope he'll keep his service open to all retro computing enthusiasts.
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #6 on: May 21, 2023, 17:41
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Holding my breath
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #7 on: October 14, 2023, 16:38
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Found another alternative for System 7. Searching and browsing in iCab works great and I can play all streams I have tried so far with SoundJam MP on my 8600. Check it out here: http://dir.xiph.org/
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17lifers
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32 MB Posts: 57
Reply #8 on: October 14, 2023, 16:45
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nice, i will get my radio station listed there
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #9 on: October 22, 2023, 16:38
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Working on a Sherlock plugin for the Icecast directory now. Stay tuned!
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #10 on: October 22, 2023, 18:42
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Boy that would be a great Sherlock Plugin! Are Sherlock Plugins made with AppleScript? I never did anything with Sherlock Plugins besides simply using them. I did fiddle a bit with the DataDetectors which could be created via AppleScript*. *I thought it would be useful to have DataDetectors recognize genus/species then scrape the data and move it to a Plant/garden HyperCard stack.
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #11 on: June 16, 2024, 05:56
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Quote from: Knezzen, who had asked: "Are there any alternative internet radiostation directories somewhere or are we doomed?"I do believe I've stumbled upon a goldmine, if you don't mind a little digging Go to this site: http://rb2rs.freemyip.com/ and download a recent RadioSure database file named with a ".rsd" suffix, in the form of "stations-yyyy-mm-dd.rsd". These are currently edging toward 6MB in file size. These db's are tab delimited plain text files meant for use with a modern software called Radiosure. As they are plain text you can use a text editor to open and explore the contents in a classic Mac OS. This file is huge, so TeachText/SimpleText is out. BBEdit (or BBEdit Lite) is fine. Search on a country name that you are interested in and Command+G until you find a likely candidate, which will be an URL beginning with http For MpegDec, a candidate URL will likely begin with http and end with .mp3 or .m3u If you want to prettify it somewhat (and make it easier to find what you want), you can open it up in a spreadsheet. On 68k Macs you are stuck with Excel 5 as your best option. Change the .rsd filename ending to .tsv and Excel 5 will open it as a tab separated values spreadsheet. Even so, this file is too large for Excel 5 and it will drop what it can't display. BBEdit may still be your best option in a 68k system. On a PPC Mac OS, BBEdit again, or maybe the Excel version that comes with Microsoft Office 98 might be more robust, but another option, StarOffice 3.1 (StarCalc) will open this fully into a spreadsheet in Mac OSs 7.5 - 8.1 With StarOffice and its grandchildren (Apache OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc) change the .rsd suffix to .csv (not .tsv) and choose "tab" when prompted. About the "stations-yyyy-mm-dd.rsd" database; apparently this db is a web scraping of the https://www.radio-browser.info/ website. The db gets updated every 24 hours. How long it will exist and be available I don't know, but right now it's there to use. It covers a vast range of cultures and countries. Unfortunately I don't think the full range of character sets are used but that might be my system at play here. All of the URLs are legible. There are approx. 50,000 stations currently listed, expect it to take several seconds (maybe longer) to open in an 030 Mac
Last Edit: June 16, 2024, 07:57 by MTT
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #12 on: June 16, 2024, 13:47
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Very nice link, thanks. For those who use OS X, a .rsd file will open directly in Numbers (part of the iWork suite) without needing to change .rsd. An added bonus is the urls are hot and you can open them directly in say VLC, or whatever you might have installed.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #13 on: June 19, 2024, 11:41
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MTT, would you be willing to share your "prettified" and filtered file with us? I may (with your permission) even add it to our Web Radio Tutorial, so it's just a download away on a 68k mac? SurfMusic unfortunately seems to be unwilling to serve unencrypted traffic, the owner never got back to me despite mailing him twice :-(
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #14 on: June 19, 2024, 15:08
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@Bolkonskij: I could... but for 68k systems it's probably better to have the "ugly" as is copy from the source site, and view it in BBEdit, which can display the whole file easily. I haven't been able to find a program that can display the entire file as a spreadsheet in a 68k system, including Excel 4, which I think was the top spreadsheet program for 68k Mac. The http://rb2rs.freemyip.com/ site is accessable in iCab 2.9.9, I just downloaded the current .rsd file (today's database) using iCab in Basilisk II, and am now replying here, using the same. - If you can read S7T using a browser from a 68k Mac, you can read freemyip.com too. Plus the database is updated daily, so my prettified effort would get old very quickly. Even though it looks a mess in BBEdit it's actually very easy to find the URLs to radio stations in the raw .rsd file. Just type Command+F and enter a country you might be interested in. For example; Canada, or France, or Germany, or Sweden, or Russian Federation, or Uganda, or United States, or whatever country you can think of. This will land on the country of your choice. The row cells in this .rsd file go in the order of "Station name", "Description", "Country", "Language", "URL". The station link follows country name, spoken language, then URL. Next type Command+G to go to the next instance of your choice of country. Look for URLs beginning with http, disregard https. Use Command+G repeatedly to continue searching. When you see an URL that looks promising, copy and paste it into a new text doc, save it and drag in onto MpegDec's icon and see if it will run.
Last Edit: June 19, 2024, 15:20 by MTT
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