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scouter
64 MB  Posts: 81 Retired IT Administraor 
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on: March 03, 2023, 15:06
I started a new thread here as a continuation of what I put in the Gopher discussion as I did not want to hijack the Gopher discussion. But suffice to say I can not get networking working no matter what I do and I have followed everything that was put on Floodcab website about getting a 3com 3C589C pcmcia card working. but still no joy it does not even light up to say that there is network response. I know the card works as I have tried it on a windows laptop and it works fine. Any help on this would be appreciated. Christopher. |
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #1 on: March 04, 2023, 01:38
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Hi scouter, don't know if you saw my post in that other thread. I didn't have any issues with using the 3Com PCMCIA card in my PB 1400CS, and I used the driver download named "3ComENetDrv.sit" (11K) found near the bottom of the help page on using this chipset with Mac laptops. (and since added to the drivers section of S7T). The important part was to disable (remove from the Extensions Folder) any Apple installed ethernet drivers, before rebooting with the custom driver. These will have names such as "Apple Built-In Ethernet", "Apple Ethernet NB". But, leave the extension "EtherTalk Phase 2" alone. It should remain installed. The "Thread Manager" extension, if also installed should be left in place. After restarting -may require a double-boot (see help page) you should be able to select the card in the TCP/IP Control Panel and be able to connect to a network. Anyway, I had followed that help page's instructions as best I could and found that only that custom driver was all that was needed for my enet card, which was a Dell branded 3Com card with the 3C589C chipset. Also that page has several tips and advice WRT installing and troubleshooting the 3Com driver and the 1400 etc.
Last Edit: March 04, 2023, 01:54 by MTT
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scouter
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64 MB Posts: 81 Retired IT Administraor
Reply #2 on: March 04, 2023, 12:19
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Yes tried all the above and still no joy. Mine is a genuine 3com ethernet III card. I don't see the card in TCPIP controll panel all I get is 'Apple Talk' or 'Alternate Ethernet'. Christopher.
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #3 on: March 04, 2023, 23:54
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"Alternate Ethernet" - Now that definitely "rings a bell". It's been a few years since I had used this card and the 1400CS, but I believe this is how it registers with the TCP/IP Control Panel. So to me, I think that you are very close to using it. Try selecting "Alternate Ethernet" in the CP and save your changes. Then select whatever similar ethernet phrase that you can see in the AppleTalk Control Panel and save that, too. Crossing fingers here.
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scouter
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64 MB Posts: 81 Retired IT Administraor
Reply #4 on: March 05, 2023, 10:37
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Sorry I tried all that but still no joy. I have tried using DHCP and setting IP address manually but still no joy. Christopher.
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB  Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #5 on: March 05, 2023, 12:30
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Moved this thread to a forum category more suitable for the topic of discussion  Years and years ago I had a Etherlink III that I used with a PowerBook 5300. I remember that I had to uncheck "Load only when needed" in the TCP/IP control panel to get it working. Do it by opening TCP/IP --> Edit menu --> User mode Change the user mode to "Advanced" and click the OK button. Now you have some more fields and buttons in the main window. Click the "Options..." in the lower right corner. Uncheck "Load only when needed" and click the OK button. Close and save the TCP/IP control panel and reboot your machine.
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scouter
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64 MB Posts: 81 Retired IT Administraor
Reply #6 on: March 05, 2023, 13:52
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thank you 'Knezzen' but I already tried that one as well still doesn't work I am at a loss at the moment trying to get this to work. Christopher.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #7 on: March 05, 2023, 18:28
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There's often a minute chance that - something in the hardware chain is not working right (being used parts and all) -the software is either misconfigured or the wrong version -the hardware/software combination has a known issue, bug or incompatibility For such scoundrily issues, I sometimes try to run it in a different OS version to see if that helps things any (usually, a newer Mac OS version). If it then works, one can then start looking at what is breaking in the OS in question and if it doesn't, then one can focus more on testing the hardware side of things. Hopefully, some of this may apply and/or help make this thing work
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Neal_SE30
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256 MB Posts: 401 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #8 on: March 05, 2023, 20:33
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I had this very issue with my 1400. As it turned out the pcmcia card was 16-bit not the 32-bit you expect. I never did find a 16-bit one and just brought another mac as i just wanted it as a bridge machine for my se/30. So do check the specs. Neal
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scouter
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64 MB Posts: 81 Retired IT Administraor
Reply #9 on: March 05, 2023, 21:10
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Just to add a bit more info the Card does show up on the Desktop as "3Com 589 EN Card" Christopher.
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #10 on: March 06, 2023, 03:13
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With "Alternate Ethernet" showing in the TCP/IP CP and the card's icon mounting on the desktop. This means the driver and card is working. Your networking issues are now elsewhere. How and what do you physically connect to, external to the 1400? e.g.; Do you have a LocalTalk network that you can try to connect to? Such as another Mac which has a known working network? You would need to connect to it via the Chooser, and the Mac to connect to, would have sharing enabled. Your 1400 should also have the 3Com card set in the AppleTalk CP and your network identity set in the 1400's File Sharing CP. Or do you have a utility that you can try to ping the outside world with? e.g.; "MacTCPWatcher", or "WhatRoute", or "OTTool".
Last Edit: March 06, 2023, 04:20 by MTT
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scouter
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64 MB Posts: 81 Retired IT Administraor
Reply #11 on: March 06, 2023, 16:57
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I use a ZHENREN wifi/extender/router which has a Ethernet port built into it as well. I can plug my Powerbook G3 (wall street) via its built in Ethernet port into it and it works fine so the port is fine it is 10/100/1000. so other than that I don't know whats wrong. PS. I also plugged it into a 5 port switch that supports 10/100 10Base-T and still no joy. Christopher.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #12 on: March 09, 2023, 11:18
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What happens if you try to ping an IP adress e.g. 8.8.8.8 with any of MTT's mentioned tools?
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scouter
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64 MB Posts: 81 Retired IT Administraor
Reply #13 on: March 09, 2023, 15:02
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nothing, I come to the conclusion the cards aren't working even though they are being recognized . I tried them in Windows laptops but still no joy I am not prepared to pay the silly prices on eBay for another one. Christopher.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #14 on: March 09, 2023, 15:11
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That's the one 'gotcha' with older tech (and sometimes not even that old) but if you get an working adapter from someone else, that's my best bet for getting something good for hopefully not too much (and yes, eBay prices make it hard to update or fix our Macs) 
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