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jimhabegger
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on: October 12, 2006, 21:34
Hi! My name is Jim. A few years ago my wife salvaged four Power Macs that other teachers were getting rid of, and installed some educational games on them, for her Kindergarten students to use. Now she wants them to be able to go on the Internet, and to print from them to the printer that's connected to her XP computer. I'm a complete dummy on Mac computers. I've been going in circles trying to learn how to set them up to connect to the school network, and to use a shared printer. I don't even know how to see if they *are* connected to the network. They all have ethernet cables going to jacks in the wall, and I can connect to the Internet with one of them. Two others have Netscape, but I can't connect to the Internet on them. I don't know what happened to Netscape on the other one. I can't even try to connect to the Internet on that one. Some or all of them have System 7.5.3. One of them might have an earlier version. I'll check again. Besides setting them up to connect to the Internet, and use a shared printer, I'd like to have a 7.5.3 install disk to repair some parts of the systems that might be broken. The students have done some strange things. I bought a 7.5.3 CD on ebay, but I get an error message when I try to use it. Now I've downloaded a set of 19 files from the Apple Web site that I'm going to try. Also, I'm looking for a way to make my XP desktop work like 7.5.3, so I can practice using the system at home. I've tried WinMac, but there's a lot missing, and I'm not sure how much good it will be for my purpose. I've looked at emulators, but from what I've read, there's no way to emulate a Mac legally, without owning one. I'd like to replace Netscape on the computer that's missing it, but I can't find any Netscape download for 7.5.3. In fact, so far the only browser I can find that has a version for 7.5.3, available for download, is Microsoft Internet Explorer. Jim |
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 23:16
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Quote from: "jimhabegger" I've tried WinMac, but there's a lot missing, and I'm not sure how much good it will be for my purpose. That will teach you absolutely nothing. Mac OS is not Windows with an interface shift, it is an entirely different system. They are 100% not related to each other. Eventually I'll be creating a "Classic Mac OS for Dummies" section of this site... whenever I get around to it.
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Deer Steak
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16 MB Posts: 25
Reply #2 on: October 13, 2006, 03:57
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Depending on what those PowerMacs are, I'd look at dumping a ROM from one of them so you *can* emulate them legally. SheepShaver, while terribly user-hostile, is at least usable, and can run 7.5.3.
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jimhabegger
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #3 on: October 14, 2006, 04:31
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Quote from: "Deer Steak" Depending on what those PowerMacs are, I'd look at dumping a ROM from one of them so you *can* emulate them legally. SheepShaver, while terribly user-hostile, is at least usable, and can run 7.5.3. I've been looking at Basilisk, SheepShaver, PearPC, and QEMU. I might start with Basilisk because I found a walkthrough for it that looks easier than any of the others I've found so far. I only have two hours every Friday to work on the computers in Patty's Kindergarten class. Today I found the MacTCP control on the 7.5.3 computers, and the TCP/IP control on the 7.5.1 computer. The one that already worked on the Internet has a fixed IP address, but the HP is set up for dynamic addressing, so I tried that on two of the Macs. I *think* it worked, because when I started Netscape it looked like they connected. I'm not sure, because they both froze before any Web page actually displayed. "Sorry, a system error occured. 'Netscape Navigator 3.01' error type 11" The only option offered was a "Restart" button. After that, the TPC/IP control didn't work. I restarted the computer again, and then the TCP/IP control was working again. I tried to experiment with file sharing, but I ran out of time before I could see any results. I'm really groping in the dark on these computers. It doesn't help that the students sometimes move and rename system files. For example on one of them the TCP/IP control program had been moved out of the control menu and completely out of the system folder. I stumbled across it while I was looking for something else on the hard drive. Luckily, it hadn't been renamed. The next time, I'll continue trying to set up file sharing. If I succeed with that, I'll try printer sharing. To replace Netscape on the computer that doesn't have it, is it enough to just copy all the Netscape files from one that does? If not, I'll try installing Internet Explorer 4 or 5. After that, I'll try installing 7.5.3 on the computer that has 7.5.1. Jim
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Ursa
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #4 on: October 15, 2006, 00:21
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Hi, Jim...if you need Netsace the latest version that'll run on 7.5.3 is Netscape 4.05. You can download it here from this page (be sure to choose the PowerPC version): http://sillydog.org/narchive/full4.php The latest Internet Explorer is 4.0.1. You can download it here: http://browsers.evolt.org/download.php?/ie/mac/4.01/ie401full-ppc.hqx Be sure to check out the Browser Central section this site. You can turn off style sheets for these browsers with the same instructions given for Netscape 4.8 and IE 5. I would turn off Java on Netscape, as well.
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Ursa
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #5 on: October 15, 2006, 00:33
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If you run IE 4.0.1 you will also want to turn off scripting error alerts. From the Edit menu, choose Preferences. In the right pane of the Internet Explorer Preferences window, under Web Browser, select Web Content. To the right, under Active Content, in the "Active scripting error alerts:" dropdown menu, select "Don't Show".
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #6 on: October 15, 2006, 01:00
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Yeah and try to find 7.6.1... I'm not sure if the Browser Central browsers work under 7.5.x. But aside from that, 7.6.1 is more stable and reliable, and a tad more modern.
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jimhabegger
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #7 on: October 15, 2006, 04:39
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Ursa and dpaanlka, thank you. That helps a lot! I tried Basilisk II/JIT today, and it worked! I had 7.5.3 running in XP in less than two hours. What a beautiful sight! That's the first time I've gotten any new system running in less than two weeks! Now I can practice and experiment on my virtual Mac at home, before I try something on the computers in Patty's Kindergarten class. For example, now I've seen how to install 7.5.3 from the 19-part download. Jim
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jimhabegger
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #8 on: October 15, 2006, 06:32
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The Navigator link at sillydog didn't work, but I found 4.03 at Browser Central. Thanks! Now I'm wondering about upgrading the system to 7.6.1. I can try it on my virtual Mac first! The students have renamed the hard drive on three of the computers. I renamed it back to Macintosh HD on two of them, but I can't rename it on the other one. When I click on the name, and click again, the name doesn't go into entry mode, like it does on the others. If system files have been moved and renamed, will it break the systems if I try to upgrade them? Do I need to go get all the system files back in order before I upgrade the system? At least now I have my virtual Mac so I can see all the system files the way they should be. I'm so happy to have my virtual Mac! Jim
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #9 on: October 15, 2006, 09:23
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I'm not sure I understand. If you're using a PowerPC Mac (which the 6xxx series is) then you should be able to run Netscape 4.8 from Browser Central (part of this site).
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jimhabegger
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #10 on: October 15, 2006, 13:43
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Quote from: "dpaanlka" I'm not sure I understand. If you're using a PowerPC Mac (which the 6xxx series is) then you should be able to run Netscape 4.8 from Browser Central (part of this site). Sorry! I got the browser pages mixed up. I was thinking that Browser Central was one of the places that had links to Netscape 4.05 and earlier. All those versions of Netscape have been removed from most of the sites that used to have them. I can't use Browser Central's Netscape 4.8 without upgrading the systems on Patty's computers, from 7.5.3 to 8.1, and I don't want to do that without being absolutely sure I won't break them. I'm even afraid to try upgrading the one with 7.5.1, to 7.5.3. I'm not sure what happens when you try to upgrade a system when system files have been moved and renamed, and the name of the hard drive is ",". I'll need to do a lot of experimenting on a virtual Mac, before I feel safe trying that. Meanwhile, I need a browser that runs on 7.5. Yesterday I finally found Navigator 4.05 at www.evolt.org. Jim
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Ursa
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #11 on: October 16, 2006, 06:44
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System 7.5.3 will also support the browser Opera 5, which is downloadable on this site at Browser Central. The Netscape 4.05 downloadable from eVolt.org is for 68K Macs. While it will run on a PowerPC (PPC) Mac, for best performance you should find and use the PPC edition on your Power Macs. On a system with questionable system files, I would select the "clean install" option from the System 7.5.3 installer. I believe I've tried Netscape 4.8 under System 7.5.5 and it refused to start, citing that it requires System 7.6 to run. Still, you've got nothing to lose but a little time by downloading and trying it. Have you considered doing the free upgrade to System 7.5.5? My System 7.5.5 install routine goes like this--many of the files are available from this site and all the software is freely downloadable: Listed in order of installation: System 7.5.3 System 7.5.5 Updater PowerPC Interrupt Extension LibMoto Extension Stuffit Expander 5.5 Speed Doubler 8 Speed Doubler 8.1.2 Updater Open Transport 1.1.2 Open Transport/PPP 1.0 (only needed for Dial-Up connections) Internet Explorer 4.01 Netscape 4.05 Opera 5 Adobe Acrobat 4.05 MacOS Runtime for Java 1.5.1 QuickTime 5.0.5 Note that this routine only applies to PPC Macs.
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Ursa
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #12 on: October 16, 2006, 06:47
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To find Netscape 4.05 for PowerPC, you can try a Google search for the following file: Nav4.05_PPC.bin
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jimhabegger
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #13 on: October 19, 2006, 03:11
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Thank you for that list, Ursa. I'm going in circles trying to get Acrobat Reader and ROM-grabber to work in my emulator. I need Stuffit for 7.5 to install them, and apparently I need Stuffit to install Stuffit. I finally found an old Stuffit installer with an hqx extension, but I haven't been able to open it up in the emulator. Apart from that, I've been having some success running downloaded Mac applications in the emulator. I'll be working on Patty's computers tomorrow and Friday. The first thing I want to do is get Netscape working on all of them. Two of them crash with error type 11 when I try to run Netscape. I'm going to try turning off the extensions. If that doesn't work, I'm going to go through a crash/freeze repair checklist I found on the Internet. If that doesn't work I might try installing Opera or Internet Explorer. Next, I want to try to get file sharing working. After that I might try updating the 7.5.1 computer to 7.5.3, and then to 7.5.5. Meanwhile, I bought a 7.6 install disk and an 8.1 install disk on ebay. I'm planning to experiment with them on my emulator before I try updating Patty's computers to 7.6. Right now I'm emulating with Basilisk with a 68K ROM. I'd rather emulate with SheepShaver and a PowerPC rom, if I can ever find a way to get one. So far every trail has led to a dead end. Tomorrow or Friday I'll see if I can get ROM-grabber working on one of Patty's computers. I'd rather emulate with a PowerPC ROM because that's what's on Patty's computers. More later. Jim
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Ursa
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #14 on: October 19, 2006, 12:18
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Hi, Jim: Now that you have a 7.6 install CD-ROM, rather than wasting your valuable time trying to debug your trashed 7.5.x systems, you might as well back up anything worth saving on Patty's computers, boot them off the 7.6 CD-ROM, reinitialize the hard drives with Drive Setup (a low-level format might be a good idea while you're at it), and do a clean install of 7.6 plus the 7.6.1 Updater and the updates recommended here on System 7 Today. You'll be glad you did. There's a handy guide to System 7.6 installation here: http://main.system7today.com/articles/tutorials/installingos7.html The advice on package installation directly applies for a System 8/8.1 installation, as well. I'm not sure I would even bother running 7.6.x with Basilisk II. You're limited to running 68k programs, so that means making do with older versions of QuickTime, Netscape, and Internet Explorer versus the more modern PowerPC editions that you'll be able to run on your PowerPC Macs. My install list applies to PowerPC Macs running 7.5.5 only. Do not install the PowerPC Interrupt Extension under anything but System 7.5.5. Also note that under Basilisk (or any 68k Mac) you cannot install LibMoto, the PPC Interrupt Extension, Speed Doubler, Quicktime 5.0.5, and MacOS Runtime for Java 1.5.1
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