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Johnny7 64 MB Posts: 78 System 7 Newcomer!	on: October 06, 2025, 21:34 Interesting that on the same day, Google on both iCab on my Q605 (MAC OS 7.5.5) and iBrowse on my A1200 (Amiga OS 3.5) is no longer supported. Both browsers display; Update Your Browser - Your browser isn't supported anymore. To continue your search, upgrade to a recent version Also, iCab no longer displays linked images from MG image hosting but iBrowse does. Both machines have the correct Date and Time. I know there's no fixing this. At least FrogFind still works! iCab - Version 2.9.9 on Q605 http://revontulet.org/2025/10/07/f05a0aaa1a774f13a7746082039c28ee.jpg iBrowse - Version 3.0a on A1200 http://revontulet.org/2025/10/07/dc559d59c93d423b814e28d12978201e.jpg
Last Edit: October 07, 2025, 23:51 by Johnny7
snes1423 256 MB Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina	Reply #1 on: October 07, 2025, 01:04 doesnt work under IE 8 under XP either

Johnny7 64 MB Posts: 78 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #2 on: October 07, 2025, 04:55 The situation has changed slightly that makes it even more interesting (to quote Moss). I later today checked that my A2000 with Amiga OS3.9 would navigate to Google (with the latest version of AmiSSL - same Version of iBrowse). And NO PROBLEM! So. I’m not really a coder or use the half split method to bifurcate UNIX scripts. However, I’m old yet still love interacting with all my vintage hardware & software and continually checking to see what they can and can’t do. Check out this pic! http://revontulet.org/2025/10/07/f8be30d4f4054c7b9205a4401d363944.jpg
Last Edit: October 07, 2025, 23:51 by Johnny7
Cashed 128 MB Posts: 192 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #3 on: October 07, 2025, 05:34 @Johnny7 Thanks for sharing and bringing this up. iBrowse is great it also got updated not that long ago. I used some time following up on an idea I once aired. I may have a workaround, I’ll be sharing. But I’d like to know the extence extent of this. As I currently don’t have hardware to test it myself, can anyone tell us if Google still works on any of the early Mac OS X? great pic!
Last Edit: October 07, 2025, 05:42 by Cashed
Johnny7 64 MB Posts: 78 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #4 on: October 07, 2025, 05:53 @Cashed... I can confirm that Google DOES display correctly using my Mac Mini G4 with OSX 10.5.8 Leopard and Safari Version 5.0.6... :-) Pic below. https://i.postimg.cc/MpPFC4Fj/OSX-Google.jpg
Last Edit: October 07, 2025, 06:47 by Johnny7
Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #5 on: October 07, 2025, 06:51 Given Google's stance on all things retro ("go and buy new!") this day was about to come anyway. What about less privacy infringing alternatives such as DuckDuckGo? Will they work? I rarely use search engines on the IIci, but if I do, it's usually wiby.org or frogfind. Not sure if you're aware of them, so I'm dropping the names here. Especially wiby.org needs more publicity P.S. Odd that the Mac Garden image hosting wouldn't work for you anymore. I'm not aware of any changes made to it and used it myself like two days ago? Can you retry using revontulet.org to upload something, please?
Last Edit: October 07, 2025, 06:57 by Bolkonskij
wove 1024 MB Posts: 1363	Reply #6 on: October 07, 2025, 13:44 Google search quit working with Safari 4 on Tiger. DuckDuckGo still works though. I have a Google account and Gmail address, but spent the first part of 2025, pulling what data I have on Google and stopping my use of Google services, with the goal of closing my Google account by the end of the year. I still have Gmail setup on one machine, but it has received only spam for the last couple months and I am pretty confident closing my Google account with not result in my severing ties with anything important.

Cashed 128 MB Posts: 192 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #7 on: October 07, 2025, 14:14 @Johnny7 Perfect, thanks for the feedback. AWeb oughta still display correctly. @wowe Ditto, thanks for sharing that feedback -very helpful. I will be collecting the required files tonight, as it’s something that’s been in store for a long time anyway. Hopefully it may be a workable solution for displaying very tricky modern sites on any legacy browser. I will also link to the Amiga version -of course ;-)

ovalking 128 MB Posts: 199	Reply #8 on: October 07, 2025, 15:17 Ack! Bit confused to begin with ... the error message shows as black text on black background in Netscape. (A Select All will reveal the stealth message!) Seems like all OS8.1 and earlier browsers affected. Classilla still working, well, as good as it gets. Inevitable but we don't have to like it.

Johnny7 64 MB Posts: 78 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #9 on: October 07, 2025, 16:17 @Bolkonskij It's not that linked images from MG image hosting didn't work for me, the images just no longer display using iCab Version 2.9.9 on the Q605. They do display using iBrowse on the A1200 and A2000. In other words, revontulet.org works fine.

Johnny7 64 MB Posts: 78 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #10 on: October 07, 2025, 16:23 I believe that these changes in browser functionality may be linked to my post regarding “THERE ARE SOME MAJOR ROOT CERTIFICATES THAT ARE BEING ELIMINATED FROM THE INTERNET AND YOU WILL LOSE SOME WEBSITE FUNCTIONALITY” https://system7today.com/forums/index.php?topic=3942.msg18124#msg18124

Johnny7 64 MB Posts: 78 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #11 on: October 07, 2025, 16:26 @Cashed Looking forward to you workarounds! 😁

wove 1024 MB Posts: 1363	Reply #12 on: October 07, 2025, 17:55 This does not help on System7, however on OSX one can export the system root certificates from a new version of OS X and import them to the keychain on an older version of OS X. I am using this method to update 10.9 through 10.12. This does not help with any problems related to tsl logins and such, but the updated certificates do allow one to view sites where the old system certificates have expired. On older OS X system like Tiger you can delete the system certificates, then when visiting a site like Amazon a message will pop up about the certificate, you can then open the certificate and choose to always trust the certificate, which will then add the certificate. Then you will have access to the site for browsing. Of course you will not be able to log in because of tsl/ssl being to dated to allow for a handshake.
Last Edit: October 07, 2025, 18:07 by wove
snes1423 256 MB Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina	Reply #13 on: October 07, 2025, 22:38 works under Netscape 7 from 2002 http://revontulet.org/2025/10/07/7b535bd5d71f47cb9271d1f9c3e63a42.JPG does display a new error though as shown

Cashed 128 MB Posts: 192 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #14 on: October 10, 2025, 04:43 <— Download available —click my Globus @All Thanks for all the additional feedback. On Amiga, the AWeb browser for Amiga should still render Google’s page. Does enabling/disabling Javascript in iBrowse change anything? -hopefully there’ll be an update soon. On Mac, great to hear Classilla still works, that was one of the browsers I used on Tiger, along with Omniweb, and a couple of others. On Windows, there are other web browser solutions available. The workaround idea originated during the Browsers for 10.6 - 10.8 thread on MG. Which in turn, originated from a previously thread on Mac OS 9 Lives, WEBBR² RPC RPS VP. That originally derived from finding http10proxy.pl, by Jamie Zawinski, (one of the founders of Netscape and Mozilla.org). Jamie's null proxy usage explained. Besides the proxy setup, root certificates swap, or the RaspBerry PI option —I wondered if there were other options. VNC Prior to that thread I’d been using VNC in the past. Remotely controlling my obsolete OSes at work during my night shifts, from modern iPhones using RealVNC Viewer. Back then, prior to joining the retro community, one of the platforms I was using was Windows 7, that dates back to 2009. That’s a 15 years difference, that alone shows the backwards compatibility of VNC —how far back will it work? The idea was instead to run a VNC Server on a phone. On legacy systems, whenever one wants to use a more modern browser —you’d use a VNC Viewer to connect and browse the internet. But as @adespoton pointed out, regarding iPhones the, “iOS has an issue in that when it's not jailbroken, its process management kills off or hibernates processes, which means any "server" functionality is going to be unreliable.” That means, on an iPhone running RealVNC Server (it’s been available for 3 years), you launch the App, but as soon as you’d connect and launch a browser e.g. Safari —RealVNC Server would be in the “background”. In 2019, iOS 13.2 changed background behavior. However, RealVNC Server is also available for Android phones, and there are other options available like Alpha VNC Lite, droidVNC-NG, MultiVNC, TeamViewer . . . As stated earlier, It’s a bit perplexing having to sort to using another computer to get a “browser” to work. But older smartphones are in abundance, and the power consumption of a phone is less, than a Raspberry PI’s 4 Watts, a tablet might use a bit more. Additionally, during this research, I found @adespoton had shared an interesting link to, Quick HTTPS recipe for macOS hosts. On the Mac, VNC Viewers works from System 7, and from what I deduced, one could also connect to a VNC Server just using a browser. @ovalking, and other users of later OSes, VNCThing works for Mac OS 8.1. A big shout-out thanks goes to @cballero, whom back in January 2025 had posted an update in the thread. Sorry for not noticing it earlier —by that time I had quit. Finally, an apology is in order for having to use a modern download link. It’s required, when source often contains a ton of other files. The zip contains VNC servers, viewers, and source code for Mac, Amiga, and various other systems. Edits: ~~MulitVNC~~ = MultiVNC, ~~deducted~~ = deduced
Last Edit: October 10, 2025, 17:26 by Cashed
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