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snes1423
256 MB  Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina 
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on: May 06, 2025, 01:40
as someone who picked up a 2012 13" MBAir running 10.7.5 Lion specifically for a lightweight computer for vintage web browsing via protoweb hotline usenet bbs etc., and email via macdomain or vespernet running Mini vMac and other various retro computing and retro gaming emulator's along with parallels desktop 7 for early-mid 2000's games under XP that otherwise would be PowerPC only for office work typing up document's spreadsheets presentation's which is better Office 2011 or iWork 09? |
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #1 on: May 06, 2025, 02:13
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I am not much of a user of Office software. (I have heard it can result in you becoming quite dull)  So my advice would be to go with ClarisWorks 3 on MiniVMac. Take the path less trodden and all that.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #2 on: May 06, 2025, 04:23
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I'm with Wove on that one!  but you could also opt to give AppleWorks 6 a try! It has a OS X version that gives you the full suite, plus an added bonus: a sweet integrated database in addition to the big three: Word Processing, Spreadsheet and Presentation docs all in one app!  AW6 even has a Mac OS 8.1, Windows, and Carbonized versions for those playing with OS 9.1 and/or earlier Mac OS X versions! Of course, of your two picks, I'd say either's fine, but they'll just be run-of-the-mill, as Wove put it  so you could just run both then
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snes1423
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256 MB Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina
Reply #3 on: May 06, 2025, 05:21
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is Qemu for Mac OSX 10.7.5 (with instruction's) available on the garden?
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snes1423
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256 MB Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina
Reply #4 on: May 06, 2025, 06:11
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currently looking for the disk image installer's for Word 4.0 Excel 2.2 and PowerPoint 2.01 setup Mini vMac with System 6 in a Macintosh II enviorment
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #5 on: May 06, 2025, 13:16
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QEMU for OS X 10.7.5 could possibly be installed using MacPorts, which is a very well documented project, but I am not aware of any easy to follow step by step instructions for installing QEMU. I have seen instructions for installing Mac OS 9 in QEMU online. <https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-run-macos-on-kvm-qemu/> These instructions I believe are geared towards using an intel machine running linux/windows, but the methodology would be very similar to setting it up on a Mac with QEMU installed. This is something of a daunting task and one should expect some big glitches and failures along the way. I have only used Mac OS 9 in QEMU and it is a finicky process, however once done I have fond that OS 9 runs pretty well under QEMU. QEM will also run 68k emulations, so it should be possible to get System 7 running on QEMU, but it is not something I have tried.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #6 on: May 06, 2025, 13:22
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Since using Excell 2 appears to be on everyone's mind these days here lies an 800k disk image of Excel 2.2 for Mac OS. <https://winworldpc.com/download/e280a0c5-be4b-4754-c385-11c3a4c2a90f/from/c39ac2af-c381-c2bf-1b25-11c3a4e284a2>
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB  Posts: 2023
Reply #7 on: May 06, 2025, 13:59
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I think you can find all programs on the Mac Garden if you do a little search. Granted, Excel stuff gets a bit messy due to 10 different pages (maybe I'll get around to put everything into one...or somebody beats me to that) but stuff is there, just look around
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #8 on: May 06, 2025, 16:14
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lol, yep! like v2.2a was bundled along with several other versions in the main MG Excel page; it's the first dl
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snes1423
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256 MB Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina
Reply #9 on: May 06, 2025, 16:27
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yeah but both word 4 and excel 2.2 are in folders and the apps have no resource fork granted the folder itself is stuffited in stuffit 5.5 (not for us system 6 folks i guess...)
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #10 on: May 06, 2025, 18:14
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I have a 10.7 machine handy, and have been playing around a lot with QEMU on Linux and an apple silicon mac, running MacOS 9 and Morpos, but I haven't tried running a MacOS X in it yet. I'll see if I can get QEMU installed, and see what I see...the particular one you'll need is "qemu-system-ppc". With QEMU the version is also very important, as older ones may not include all needed features.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #11 on: May 06, 2025, 20:46
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Quote from: “lauland” II'll see if I can get QEMU installed. That would be wonderful. It would be nice to see “qemu-system=68k” as well. It would be a real delight to see a System 6 or 7 configuration for qemu. You do very well with documentation too, so clear concise directions/instruction would really be icing on the cake. I sometimes like to go well beyond my capabilities and solid directions and configuration details are my only hope at making it work. Just a quick addition. From what I have read Mac OS X did not support virtualization until MacOS X 10.14. I do think earlier versions of Mac OS X include a hyper visor, and from what I could glean the open firmware on machines prior to 2017 do not turn on the processor features needed to support virtualization.
Last Edit: May 06, 2025, 21:15 by wove
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #12 on: May 06, 2025, 23:06
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@Wove: So, I'm running Fusion 8.5.8 and Virtualbox on HS, 10.13, successfully, although I know running most new Linux OSes is out save a couple of lighter variants (thanks for the 'nix info on that Lauland!) but earlier OS X OSes do run well, although I've only tested SLS and it's quite compatible, it's running on an '09 MP
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #13 on: May 07, 2025, 17:51
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No luck with macports on 10.7, they've probably dropped support for such old os's. It wanted to install curl and other dependencies for QEMU and failed. Doing a port selfupdate borked the macports install. So, don't even try it. Will need to get QEMU elsewhere. Building it from source is a possibility, but probably very painful. You'll also need a pretty recent version of QEMU than I've ever heard of anyone running on such an old os. ---- I have qemu-system-m68k on my modern mac and linux. Running it with "--machine help" shows this: Supported machines are: an5206 Arnewsh 5206 mcf5208evb MCF5208EVB (default) next-cube NeXT Cube none empty machine q800 Macintosh Quadra 800 virt-6.0 QEMU 6.0 M68K Virtual Machine (deprecated) ... blah blah blah ... virt-9.2 QEMU 9.2 M68K Virtual Machine So, theory could emulate a quadra? I've never tried the m68k version for anything. I'll see if I can get it to run using the rom and disk image I use for Basilisk. If I do, I'll post. If I don't post, I couldn't get it to work... ---- FYI I've had luck running 10.6 virtually, using either VirtualBox, VMWare, Parallels, or some combo of those.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #14 on: May 07, 2025, 18:50
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Ah, thanks for that cool tip, Lauland!  I hadn't even thought of using Parallels on my MP!  Let me do so as I do have a pretty darn cool OS X project I really want get up and running and so far, only VMWare's been successful-ish as far as the networking component side of things! This could possibly give me a real shot at what I want to achieve, and if so, it'll be a game-changer for me for sure!
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