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wove
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on: April 21, 2025, 18:39
Just a couple questions from an old fellow who is forgetful and lazy. I pulled out an old Gigabit Ethernet G4, which is the only hardware I have that natively runs a Classic MacOS. It is an old family workhorse of a machine, having sent the youngest off to college, then used for some A/V work before showing up back home only to end up on a shelf in the closet. It has a lot of cards installed, Gforce MX4 video, SCSI card, A/V capture card, and a USB 2/Firewire card. It also contains 2 hardware, which are what is causing me trouble. They are both IDE drives and I can not recall how they should be configured, master/slave, cable select etc. There are jumpers and I looked up what the jumpers do, but have had no luck getting them set so the system actually starts. Any pointers would be appreciated. The SCSI card runs a nice of PaperPort Scanner which comes with very nice document management software that runs very well on OS 9. The card also has in internal port and I am curious if a BlueSCSI device works under OS X? |
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #1 on: April 22, 2025, 00:23
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With this model (and all G4 towers) if the IDE drives are sharing a single ribbon cable, setting one drive as master and the other as slave, is what works. If there's just one drive on the ribbon cable, set it as master. The Gigabit Ethernet G4 might support a "cable select" jumper setting where both drives have that setting, but I always found master/slave to be the reliable choice. - Also, you can always just start off with only one drive in the case. Just to see if it is working in that Mac.
Last Edit: April 22, 2025, 00:32 by MTT
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #2 on: April 22, 2025, 02:42
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Thanks for the pointer. I had two drives each with four jumpers, so with patience I started going through all the possibilities. It started working with both set to cable select. All I wanted the two drive setup for is so I could quickly move things off on drive onto the other drive. At some point I believe it was setup with OS X on one drive and OS 9 on the other. One was an 80GB and the other a 160GB. I was trying to get both 9 and X on the big drive using two partitions. Eventually I got that setup and OS 9 installed, but OS X would just not install ending with either a hangup or a hard crash, eventually I tracked that down to bad memory and after pulling the bad memory stick out I was able to get Tiger installed. That ended up eating the better part of the day. Later I can get them updated and configured. But at least I have gotten to the point where both OSes boot and run switching between them with the startup control panel and maybe finding another RAM stick that works.
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #3 on: April 22, 2025, 04:52
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Aha, yes well bad RAM doesn't help either.  Good to hear you are making progress with this classic Mac @wove. Wish I had one of these models myself.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #4 on: April 25, 2025, 17:36
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Final observations just to finish up this thread. The Gigabit Ethernet machine has been a great workhorse for the family for years and it still runs very well, however it does show its age. After sorting out memory problems I got to work installing OS 9 and Tiger. This of course ran me into nonsense with hard drives. It uses IDE drives of which I do have a few. The 40, 60, 80 GB hard drives I have that would work seamlessly with what I am trying to do have either failed or are near failing and the ones that are still good start at 300GB and require partitioning to work in the Gigabit Ethernet. I did get beyond that and installed both OS9 and Tiger. This setup work seamlessly for Tiger and for the classic environment. In Tiger I have an old TrendNet USB wireless adaptor with drivers that allows for wireless networking in Tiger. I also have an old Logitech Bluetooth adaptor which works well in Tiger allowing me to use my Apple bluetooth keyboard and Mighty Mouse to work fine both in Tiger and when running Classic applications. However neither of those adaptors work at all in OS 9. Done in by peripherals  , which is not something I even thought about when setting this up. OS 9 runs fine, but then I need to pull out a different keyboard and mouse and look for a network solution. These are the same problems I banged against with the Tiger/OS9 install on the Mac Mini.In the end I have the same limitations I have with the Mini setup and I am using a lot more power to get there. Although I did not run any bench marks, the mini with its 1.42GHz processor and SSD (via an adaptor) feel to be as fast as the Gigabit so I most likely am at the point of retiring the Gigabit for good. While playing on the Mini running Tiger, I used Tigerbrew to install regular command line Lynx, so I can compare MacLynx in Classic to main stream Lynx. I also used Tigerbrew to install w3m, which I personally find easier to use than Lynx.
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