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wove
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on: January 14, 2025, 01:56
Today I used the Ross CD to install OS9 on my G4 Mac Mini. The install went fine and OS 9 would start on the Mini. I then decided to install MacOS Tiger, so I could use Classic as well as boot into OS9. The problem is it is not working as I hoped. After the OS X install the machine auto boots into OS X which I assumed that it would. Tiger knows OS 9 is installed and Classic starts up and runs fine under Tiger. However I can not sort out how to boot into OS 9. Holding the option key on startup does not show an OS 9 boot option and the Startup Disk preference panel does not show OS 9 as a startup option. Perhaps this is just a function of the G4 Mini not natively supporting OS 9? I assumed since I had installed OS 9 first and formatted the drive from the OS 9 installer that I would not need to be concerned about "Installing OS 9 drivers" on the hard drive? If anyone has any recalls anything thing about Tiger and OS 9 dual booting or proper configuration needed to make this happen, I would appreciate the help. |
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB  Posts: 2023
Reply #1 on: January 14, 2025, 06:05
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Wove, did you install it on the same partition or separate ones?
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #2 on: January 14, 2025, 06:10
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I’m in the same boat, kind of. I heard that CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner I think?) can preserve the volume, so after installing it, you can then copy it back. You might need to use the CD to restore it back on, but it will delete your volume again (and since it doesn’t boot, it’s what’s left to do, right?) I was hearing it’s a bit of a catch-22 either way, so many just install the two OSes in separate drives to avoid any issues with it. Like you, so want to say there’s got to be a way to do this in a way that we can keep both happy in the same disk, just a separate volume. Let’s prove them wrong! I just have 9 in a FireWire drive. But then, one Mini has no drive, the other does! I went and got a few! One key thing in all this is just like Bolkonskij said, I don’t think you can install on the same volume for sure! 
Last Edit: January 14, 2025, 06:12 by cballero
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Jatoba
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256 MB Posts: 270 System 9 Newcomer!
Reply #3 on: January 14, 2025, 07:49
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Which G4 mini model is this? OS X will give you nothing but headaches on the 1.33GHz and 1.5GHz models.
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #4 on: January 14, 2025, 08:00
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Quote from: Wove: "Perhaps this is just a function of the G4 Mini not natively supporting OS 9?"That's it in a nutshell, wove. The Mac OS X Finder will not recognize Mac OS 9 as being a valid bootable option, so you will not see it as such. But, don't despair, Michael is here ;-) You can write a small AppleScript application in OS X, which will handle this for you. When in Tiger, launch AppleScript. Copy and paste in the following, between the lines: ------------------------------------------------------------- on run try do shell script "bless -folder9 '/Volumes/YOUR OS 9 DRIVE NAME/System Folder' -setOF" user name "YOUR LOGIN USERNAME" password "YOUR PASSWORD" with administrator privileges end try try tell application "Finder" restart end tell end try end run ------------------------------------------------------------- Substitute the ALL CAPS bits with your details, and save the AppleScript as an application that doesn't show any dialog window when it launches and doesn't stay open. The single and double-quote marks in the script are intentional and must be left as is. When you next want to boot up in 9.2.2 on the mini, double-click this apps icon and it will reboot into OS 9 for you. Should work partitioned or not, but things usually go smoother if partitioned.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #5 on: January 14, 2025, 08:19
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@MTT: that is brilliant! as usual, one of our fellow Mac aces, MTT, to the rescue!  I might look for my OS9 on a OSX Hard Drive icon to bling it! 
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #6 on: January 14, 2025, 16:08
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This generated more suggestions than I would have thought. Thanks everyone, hope you are having a good day, you certainly made mine better. It has been a decade anyway since I had any sort of OS X setup using Classic. I am sure at no point did I ever have OS 9 and OS X on separate partitions and I guess I am not clear why that would be of any benefit. Whether I would be running OS X or OS 9 I would want all the data stored into the same folder structure, so the data would be available in expected locations regardless of the OS being used. And besides I always find dealing with multiple partitions more trouble that it is worth. @MTT's script works flawlessly. I saved it to the desktop on OS X and a double click on the icon restarts me in OS 9. Thanks for that excellent script. @Jatoba is correct in that OS9 is something of a kludge on my Mini, however it is good enough to be workable and OS9 as "Classic" on the Mini is just fine. My main objective for booting into OS 9 is that I find it easier to install OS 9 software while running OS9. Classic is very nice because OS 9 apps can piggyback on the OS X wireless networking. Once again thanks for the comments and suggestions.
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Jatoba
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256 MB Posts: 270 System 9 Newcomer!
Reply #7 on: January 14, 2025, 20:01
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Once setup, Mac OS 9 is wonderful on the mini. I mean, it has become THE Mac OS daily driver that I have, that's how great an OS 9 machine it is, even models like those I mentioned. In my case though I deleted any trace of OS X I used to have on my mini and never looked back. It simply was wasting space for me.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #8 on: January 14, 2025, 21:08
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I see your point, Wove, and I love it!  you set to leverage the G4 Mini's ability to run MCE while gaining the ability to natively boot in Mac OS 9! and with 'Michael's rescue boot AppleScript', I may want to do exactly what you did too, since it's essentially what Apple did with earlier Macs that originally came with Mac OS 8.x through 9! Funny; I just realized that I never owned a Mac that could dual-boot! I had a 17" Powerbook G4 with Tiger with MCE, an eMac with Leopard that I managed to put Tiger to have the MCE, and a flat-panel iMac that ran Leopard, so it didn't have Classic at all. @wove: so the only way to boot into Mac OS 9 into your G4 Mini is through the AppleScript then, right? Since you installed it on your main volume, when to try to find it via option-boot it doesn't appear at all? That's the only thing making me wonder if I shouldn't add a small second volume with a small OS 9 System Folder to boot from, just in case..
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #9 on: January 14, 2025, 21:33
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Quote from: cballero So the only way to boot into Mac OS 9 into your G4 Mini is through the AppleScript then, right? When you are running Tiger the only way to get back to booting OS9 is to use the script. Booting into OS9 then becomes the default until you use the Startup Disk control panel in OS9 to set the boot back to booting Tiger. I set the whole X/9 on the mini up using an Apple USB keyboard and mouse. When running Tiger I wanted to see about using my wireless "Mighty Mouse" and wireless Apple keyboard. Both devices worked fine in OS X. I was amazed though that when I booted into OS 9 to find that both the wireless keyboard and Mighty Mouse worked just fine. The Mighty Mouse arrived long after OS 9 was retired and I would not have expected it to work. Setting it up under Tiger must install something or the other in either OS 9 or perhaps pram to make the peripherals to make them work. For myself applications and peripherals are far more important than OS. The Mighty Mouse is a wonderful mouse to use and it is nice to have it in OS 9. I have more fiddling around to do to get the system setup. Thus far I have found that OS9 applications install just fine in the "Classic" environment. I have Cyberdog up and running but still have the rest of my opendoc software to be installed. And I have still not tried to see if one can copy/paste between OS X and OS 9 applications.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #10 on: January 15, 2025, 00:25
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That was genius collaborative solution thanks to MTT's AppleScript and your straightforward ask! Wait; if rebooting after using option-booting gives you a secondary (if slow) way back into Tiger, that would even be cooler! the more I turn this setup's options in my mind, the more I'm ready to jump in and do it!  And wow, the wireless Apple keyboard/mouse combo working is truly phenomenal! I have the wired version of both and they're pretty good, but yours takes it next level! I wonder who else has gotten these two to run on their Macs under OS 9?
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #11 on: January 17, 2025, 00:26
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Quote from: wove who had mentioned earlier: "Holding the option key on startup does not show an OS 9 boot option"With partitioning, or having OSs on separate drives, with Option key + Startup used on reboots, you would have been presented with OS 9 as being a choice for starting up into. Leopard and earlier Mac OS Xs will recognize OS 9 as being a valid startup OS, if it's on its own partition during the Option key startup procedure. While Leopard being the final (official) PPC Mac OS X and the first not to support Classic. Dual booting between Leopard and Mac OS 9 on separate partitions is also very do-able, using the Option key held down when booting/rebooting. Quote from: where I had mentioned earlier: "save the AppleScript as an application that doesn't show any dialog window when it launches"You can of course if you want to, save this script to show a dialog window with a comment e.g "Want to restart in Mac OS 9?" or something similar. This would give you a Quit/Run button and a chance to opt out should you start the script-app accidentally, or change your mind.
Last Edit: January 17, 2025, 02:14 by MTT
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #12 on: January 17, 2025, 06:05
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It sounds like "Aceituna" over at macos9lives.com may be having the same problem...but they ALSO have OpenBSD installed on their machine, which certainly might complicate things. It still sounds like they may just need their System Folder "blessed".
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