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snes1423
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on: May 03, 2024, 05:11
while i cant say much for osx before tiger here is a 2003 dell xp box with a Nvidia Geforce FX 5200 AGP half height low profile gpu running 1080p using a 2012 viewsonic 24in lcd panel http://revontulet.org/2024/05/03/3a33e579ff5d4fe99de4269025536b95.JPG |
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #1 on: May 03, 2024, 12:53
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My wife uses a 27" ViewSonic LCD monitor of probably the same or older vintage. It has been a very good monitor over the years. ViewSonic was noted for making excellent CRT monitors which were generally very expensive and quite accurate. Probably after 15 years the color profile is no longer very accurate, the picture quality is still good. It was/is used with classic Mac OS. We have moved to using laptops and tablets for most of our day to day fiddling around. The ViewSonic occupies a table of its own with a power strip on top ready to hook up to any old computer we sit on down on the desk About the only complaint we would have is that it is strictly a monitor and lacks speakers. Early on LCD displays were not all that good. One draw back often mentioned was concerns about how long they would last, but with the ViewSonic anyway, LCD displays have proven to last a good long while.
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #2 on: May 03, 2024, 23:12
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I've got a vga2hdmi adapter hooked up to my (admittedly "small" for thse days) living room tv. https://macintoshgarden.org/sites/macintoshgarden.org/files/screenshots/IMG_7783.jpg My BW G3 and G4 sit next to it looking pretty cool (to me at least)! Older beige machines like my 800 and 7600 get a little confused but work fine...though obviously not ACTUALLY in 1080p! The G4 has a radeon and works very well. For the g3 I have both a rage 128 and an ix3d, both which have issues...the desktop being partially offscreen etc.
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan
Reply #3 on: May 03, 2024, 23:34
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That's cool, but hilarious snes1423! I have to be honest, I NEVER thought of running XP in 1080! That's pretty cool lauland. That's a weird uri, though hahaha
Last Edit: May 03, 2024, 23:36 by ShinobiKenobi
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB  Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #4 on: May 05, 2024, 17:05
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1920x1200 in 7.6.1 on my 8600. The higher the resolution is, the better 
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #5 on: May 06, 2024, 01:45
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Yes, I use a slightly larger 1920x1200 display which gets shared via a KVM, currently by 3 older computers: This shot is of a 2001 (build 124) Basilisk II desktop, running on a 32bit XP system from 2002, service pack 3. The B2 thinks it's a Quadra 800, doing what I couldn't have dreamed of doing, back in the day (afford one). This one is of my Hackintosh build of yet another abandoned PC I found on the curb waiting for the recycling truck to arrive. It's running an Intel Tiger (JaS) on a Core 2 duo CPU and is loving its new lease on life. And here's my old Intel Mac mini, also a Core 2 duo model. It's running Leopard in this shot. But I don't particularly like Leopard as an OS, so will either up it to Snow Leo, or "downgrade" it to Intel Tiger, shortly.
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #6 on: May 06, 2024, 04:26
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You've inspired me MTT! I've got this old abandoned Dell (that seems to be seems to be made out of cast iron, it weighs a TON!) and have been thinking about abandoning it myself, it's not fast enough to be useful for anything modern, but it'd make a dandy Tiger machine! (Assuming JaS will work...) Had no idea Basilisk could run in that high rez either! Nor that Knezzen's 8600 could!
Last Edit: May 06, 2024, 04:49 by lauland
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1178 System 7, today and forever
Reply #7 on: May 06, 2024, 17:43
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Okay, to add to the inspiration here's one of mine, lol This screenshot was taken from Basilisk II running on an ARM Chromebook exactly seven years ago in early may of '17, and the techno MOD playing in the background never sounded sweeter since it was blasting off my TV Soundbar via Bluetooth; enjoy!  http://revontulet.org/2024/05/06/34698dd8a13b4235bea9e41ac605044e.jpg
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #8 on: May 07, 2024, 01:26
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@lauland: Old Dells are good candidates for JaS Tiger, Single core P4's to Core 2 duo's make suitable CPU's. I don't know if newer CPU types are OK (haven't gone beyond Core 2 here). If everything works for you then your old Dell could be great for this. The tricky bits are in display (core image and quartz extreme), audio and networking. All hardware components need to be compatible. The first PC I installed JaS on was to a Dell with a single core P4. It absolutely flew with Tiger. Everything worked great -except networking. Nothing I tried could get a network up on it, even PCI and USB solutions failed me. With my current Tiger install I got very lucky with that street find, as everything is now running perfectly. So, good luck here does play a part @cballero: Cool 8.1 desktop there  Very interesting. Is that a Kaleidoscope scheme? Looks too modern even for Kaleidoscope - and I see something called "Mac" running, is that what's behind the mod look? What is the software that gives translucent submenu drop-downs? I haven't come across that feature in a classic Mac OS before either.
Last Edit: May 07, 2024, 01:31 by MTT
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #9 on: May 07, 2024, 01:49
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I am not familiar with JaS Tiger, what is it? Hacintoshes I am very familiar with. I built my first on a Thinkpad X61, replaced it with a Hackintosh on a Thinkpad X220, which worked so darn well that my wife moved from her G5 iMac over to one as well. We had a docking station and she used hers as a desktop. I upgraded a couple years back to making a Hackintosh out of a Thinkpad T580. It is running Ventura and my wife is quite happy with even going so far as to actually using it as a laptop. The hacintosh community has created a driver for Intel wireless so it can be used the same as Airport wireless. I have Catalina running in QEMU on the Lenovo All-in-One and I can run classic Mac OS on Basilisk on Catalina running in a VM. (I have always thought it would be good fun to run VICE a Commodore emulator, just to have emulation running 3 deep.
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #10 on: May 07, 2024, 04:34
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A page for JaS OS X (aka JaS Tiger) is here at the Mac Garden, wove. It is I suppose, an early collaborative effort to make an Intel OS X work on non-Apple hardware (and good enough to be distributed to anyone interested). Some of the comments made on that Garden page offer some helpful insights. Jatoba's posts there, are interesting to say the least. And although I don't recommend anyone to try emulating them, I do admire his determination and adventurous spirit -He tried very hard to install JaS on Virtual PC v6, running on his Mac mini G4 in Mac OS 9.2.2 I have heard of good results with (some) of those Thinkpad models too, wove, good to hear that you had success with them, as well.
Last Edit: May 07, 2024, 04:39 by MTT
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1178 System 7, today and forever
Reply #11 on: May 07, 2024, 05:06
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@MTT: I was, shall we say, an avid collector of all things OS X since it's inception. My ultimate goal was to "scheme" it in System 7, but fell in love with A-Dock too much, so my emulation target moved to at least get to SheepShaver and ultimately QEMU. Then I came across Ed Mendelson's adaptation of SheepShaver called MacOS9 for Windows and macOS and life was indeed good! the scheme is unreleased so I'm unable to post it, but I'm hoping others may release it into the wild. At least the translucent drop down menus you see is a feature of Power Windows by Greg Landweber.Greg's the same genius behind Kaleidoscope as well as my renamed 'Mac' program, which is none other than another gem from Greg actually called Greg's Browser! Why it displays as browser on the program windows bar and Mac on the ATM window is a bit of a mystery of course, lol, but the giveaway there's its own icon. And finally I was also sporting Apple's latest OS wallpaper at the time to boot! the dock's nothing more than a simplified DragStrip launcher to give it the closest feel to OS X's dock plus some very nice icons added to the volumes and folders all many years in the compiling, yet it still could use refinement.. I guess a never-ending hack, oh well! 
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Neal_SE30
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256 MB Posts: 401 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #12 on: May 10, 2024, 00:38
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Nice seeing your desktops XP in 1080, nice vibe. XP is my favorite Microsoft OS. I’ve not liked anything Microsoft OS/Software wise has done since then, why they insist on changing things for no reason but to pis* off its users is beyond me. I’m an analyst as my day job for my sins; excel, power Bi etc etc and I still dislike the ribbon to this day. Apple kept its OS looking and feeling similar with only incremental changes generally, even osx’s overall is similar to system7 in many ways. I remember Microsoft 8, I absolutely despised that. I even went as far as wiping it and putting xp back on. Anyway some crazy high res that, I’m a whole 512x342 lol. I didn’t realize you could choice 1080. Interesting. I do have 1024x768 on my G3 iMac, 1920 on my intel iMac and work screens. You’re so right about old lcd’s they were pretty rubbish, I have an old dell, it’s colors a little off, no good for gaming but general office work is just fine and it’s built like a tank. I use it as my backup monitor now for when the new fancy ones pack up. I must have had 3 replacements hp screens in 3 years, maybe 4.
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #13 on: May 10, 2024, 04:11
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You know who really suffered with the introduction of lcd's? Cats! Growing up I had an big fat cat that loved to sleep on top of the tv...he'd fall off all the time, but always climbed back up. My cats today will never know the bliss of a warm crt under their fuzzy butts! Speaking of...I'm trying to burn JaS right now...second try because first was ruined by cat! I've got an external usb burner plugged into my macbook pro and crazy half-grown kitten came barreling across the room and jumped onto sofa making burner jump several inches mid burn, I heard the horrible sound of the head hitting the disk! I scolded her and chased her around to get some of her energy out, but she fooled me and came back and did it again! Needless to say the disk was ruined. I'm trying again and using laser pointer to keep her and her twin sister away! Update: I thought I had them all tired out, but she came by again when she heard the keychain the laser pointer is attached to, when I accidentally moved it), and knocked the usb cable out of the laptop! (My MacBook Pro only has usb c and cables just are so loose!) Oh well, will try again when they're asleep...
Last Edit: May 10, 2024, 04:27 by lauland
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #14 on: May 10, 2024, 14:16
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One of the biggest advances in display tech for me has been OSes incorporating resolution independence. When that is coupled with the "retina displays" it makes is very nice to get a setup that fills the screen and is beautifully usable at a resolution that is comfortable for you to use. On my MPB using Basilisk there are limited options, none of which look all that great. QEMU/UTM provides a huge array of screen resolutions all of which display in the correct aspect ratio. I go with the 1280X768, which fills the screen and is very readable. It also does a very nice job with color. Looking at a color image in OS X or in emulated OS 9 are very very close to being identical.
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