Invisible MacTCP file in Control Panels (System 7.1)



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Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #15 on: February 25, 2024, 14:13 Welcome daptdore! :-) Thanks for the suggestion of "Network Software Selector". @Knezzen told me about it yesterday - never had it in the first place! Any idea on where to obtain that Control Panel? I've looked through some System 7 installer floppies but none seem to have it? Did it come with OT? (optional install?)

cballero 1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever	Reply #16 on: February 25, 2024, 14:51 Awesome research, Aptdore, and welcome to the S7T club! Shoot, I remember this one (way off in the distance, lol) but I'm trying to recall if that was part of later OTT installs? I don't remember seeing it in my Basilisk II emulator (which is my only 68k Mac atm, my last one went off with a friend I know to a mission abroad and never made its way back to me, a nice PowerBook 180 complete with PowerTalk at the time for desktop emails, it was all 'Powered-Up'! lol ) I'll check my PPC OT Control Panels, I don't think it's been *that* long since I saw it somewhere.. I'm just hoping I didn't throw it away either (I tend to hoard little things like that, so maybe it just got deactivated in my Disabled Control Panel Folder via the Extension Manager; just talking out loud on these things to leave as breadcrumbs because it'll likely jog our memories on that little CDEV that has become an item of interest now )
Last Edit: February 25, 2024, 14:55 by cballero
Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #17 on: February 25, 2024, 17:15 Spent the better time of the afternoon to search for the elusive Network Software Selector Control Panel. According to this page about the Install process, it looks more like it being a step during the installation? Could it be there was never a stand-alone Control Panel, but it's just part of the 7.5+ install process?
Last Edit: February 25, 2024, 17:16 by Bolkonskij
wove 1024 MB Posts: 1363	Reply #18 on: February 25, 2024, 17:25 The Network Software Selector Control Panel was installed in the Apple Extras folder during the install of System 7.5.3 (7.5 update 2).

daptdore 4 MB Posts: 6 System 7 Newcomer!	Reply #19 on: February 26, 2024, 12:50 Thanks, Bolkonskij. I see that Network Software Selector is also in (for example) the open_transport_1.3_gm.sit at http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/open-transport-13-gold-master

Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #20 on: February 26, 2024, 16:18 Success here - yesterday evening, after carefully checking my Extensions and Control Panels folders for remnants of OT again (and didn't find any) I decided to do the same with my Preferences! Turns out, any prefence file with an OT history causes the above issue. After I deleted the prefs for AppleShare and rebooted, copying of the Network and MacTCP control panel would result in it staying in there and not being modified invisible anymore. So here we go - issue solved! Thanks to all of you for your help! Appreciate it! Now, on to configuring PPP ...

Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #21 on: February 26, 2024, 19:02 What version of the TCP/IP control panel does not require Open Transport? There ought to be such a version, because in this YouTube Video, he is using a TCP/IP control panel together with MacTCP. I tried the TCP/IP control panel coming with Open Transport 1.3 on my IIci. Frankly because that's the only one I was able to dig up. But it suffers from the pushed-into-the-oblivion case (made invisible; file type deleted) that plagued my MacTCP CP before. I figure there must be an earlier version compatible with MacTCP. The question is: which one would that be? I'd guess Open Transport 1.0 would probably have backwards compatibility. If so, I wonder how long they supported MacTCP until support was dropped.
Last Edit: February 26, 2024, 19:06 by Bolkonskij
MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #22 on: February 26, 2024, 22:52 @Bolkonskij: I had mentioned v2.0.6 upstream, as version 2.0.6 was the final (and stable) official MacTCP from Apple, before OpenTransport. I find it's quite OK to use and still have it installed in a couple of my Macs that are capable of using the older MacTCP stack. I'm currently using it right now, posting this off, via iCab and running on SSW 7.1.1 You can grab a copy from the MG on the MacTCP page. @DL#4 -avoid DL#2 as it's been used in some other system before it was posted up to the MG. DL#4 hasn't been installed on any system (yet). Ignore the two updaters included in the #4 archive as they are for updating earlier versions only. The included MacTCP v2.0.6 CP is ready to be used, as is.
Last Edit: February 26, 2024, 23:56 by MTT
cballero 1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever	Reply #23 on: February 27, 2024, 01:02 @Bolkonskij: Actually, the YT video shows Rich from The Old Net using the Config PPP CP with TCP/IP CP, not MacTCP? that might be the confusion there? (unless you possibly did in fact watch a different* video with MacTCP in it?)*

MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #24 on: February 27, 2024, 02:57 Yeah you're correct @cballero (I just watched the video) it is the TCP/IP Control Panel, which means he's running over OpenTransport. Which of course will allow PPP usage over TCP/IP, too, as set via the "Config PPP" Control Panel in the video. Good informative video BTW, thanks @Bolkonskij. Though the screen refresh on that Mac's CRT was hard on the eyes.
Last Edit: February 27, 2024, 03:46 by MTT
Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #25 on: February 27, 2024, 06:49 I'll say as cool as the OldNet's WiFi Modem is, the support is abysmal. Very hard to find good info or to get a structured approach to set up things. There's apparently a Discord channel for support (...) but I've read voices agreeing that there is very little activity. All the other info out there is a game of chance - one time it's "oh, you need MacTCP", the next time you discover that video which shows you the modem working with OT & TCP/IP. I don't know, maybe it's me, maybe I'm getting old, but I found this confusing to setup. Going to forget everything I've read about this before and will do a fresh install of OT on the IIci (trashing MacTCP), add PPP and then see if that will (finally) help me to get PPP working. Anyway, thanks guys for your help!
Last Edit: February 27, 2024, 06:53 by Bolkonskij
MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #26 on: February 28, 2024, 00:41 Quote from: Bolkonskij: "...as cool as the OldNet's WiFi Modem is, the support is abysmal." You aren't wrong, there is very little Mac info that I've seen so far, when looking for more info on this modem. While watching that video, I was surprised by his use of a Google IP when setting up TCP/IP, and couldn't really understand why he did that (but it worked for him anyhow). The demo is a well-done tutorial and shows that it is possible. So good on you for taking it on too. If he works out the flow rate issue and gets a higher baud rate, he'll be sure to update his video. ~~I wonder if the WiFi modem is "flashable"?~~ i.e.; can the firmware be updated if oldnet makes any upgrade changes? (Edit) Yes it can - Just read about flashing the modem via oldnet on github. Unrelated - Here's a Mac setup for a Rasberry PI PiModem Project, similar to oldnet's WiFi modem. A lot of textual reading which probably won't be relevant, but if you scroll down to the bottom of the page, some good screenshots of the PPP config. The examples are using FreePPP, which was the alternative PPP software of choice for practically every Mac user with dial-up, back in the day. Anyway, I do hope that you will be able to get this up and running, and without too much more drama.
Last Edit: February 28, 2024, 01:29 by MTT
Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #27 on: February 28, 2024, 14:32 I've actually been thinking of writing up a little guide on how to setup the Oldnet WiFi modem properly, might be helpful to others encountering the same problem! The problem is - for that I need to get it working. Which I can't seem to. :-) Tried the stuff according to the video, installed OT 1.3 and Config PPP ..but all I get is a PPP error ("no resource"). Terminal connections working fine, so it's a PPP setup issue. I guess I need to double-check everything again tonight. It's one tricky setup but now I'm eager to "solve this riddle". Also, I noticed the YouTube video on the matter is a bit older, so some things might have changed. I know there were several firmware updates since. Need to get to my wife's MacBook Pro and check out github and other "modern web resources" for info. The PiMacintosh project looks very interesting. Shall we open up a new thread about it in order to not diverge too far from the original topic of this thread?
Last Edit: February 28, 2024, 14:35 by Bolkonskij
MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #28 on: March 02, 2024, 04:24 @Bolkonskij: I think having a Macintosh guide for your modem would be essential and helpful to anyone who is thinking of trying out such a device. I do hope that you will succeed in getting it up and running, too. The PiModem Project is interesting and has led me off on further investigations. There are several projects out there to explore, not only the Pi one. One I came across that I was impressed by, was a DIY project where this person has converted an old Hayes modem into a WiFi modem, complete with flashing LEDs. It looked great. So maybe a new thread could find some interesting alternatives out there.

Bolkonskij Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023	Reply #29 on: May 13, 2024, 09:23 Just as a notice - I did not get PPP up and running on the IIci, no matter what I tried. Tried to config exactly like in the video, tried different combos of OT/PPP ... eventually even tried MacSlip. I think there's something probably not fully implemented on the firmware / emulation side. Unfortunately, from what I hear from other Oldnet Wi-Fi users, the Mac part seems to be EOL with no more updates coming out. That said, it works fine in terms of the dial-up part. Using Terminal emulation (ZTerm) I can jump on to all the fancy BBSes at reliable speeds, download files, post messages etc., play Oregon Trail on (an emulated) main frame etc. So I'd say it is still a good choice for any 68k Mac below a 68030 CPU, because those systems have a hard time browsing the www. But I can totally see this complement a Mac Plus for the authentic 80's computing experience, for example! Anyway, I've decided to put it back into the box for now and instead will order a Blue SCSI with WiFi for my IIci. But that's better to be discussed in another thread
Last Edit: May 13, 2024, 09:29 by Bolkonskij
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