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wove
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on: October 18, 2023, 02:39
My first experience with MacOS emulation was when messing around with BeOS. It used Sheepshaver for emulation. Since BeOS was running on PowerPC, I guess that made sense, and really MacOS ran at close to native speed. Since that time any time I have tried MacOS emulation I have use SheepShaver since I was familiar with it. I have recently been using the pre-built images of 7.6 and 8.1 available through Columbia.edu. Both of those pre-built use Basilisk. I am quite impressed with Basilisk. I believe that overall the emulation is faster. Perhaps @68040 is correct in it turns 68k emulation into a monster super fast machine, capable of anything. Like all the pre-built images from Columbia.edu at has scripts to allow access to host machine's (Window or MacOS) files and allows for printing to the hosts machines connected printer. |
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ClassicHasClass
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32 MB Posts: 39
Reply #1 on: October 18, 2023, 02:55
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The answer is, as usual, "it depends." SheepShaver on a real big-endian PowerPC system runs nearly natively, and so does the 68K emulator. On my G5, even though I have Classic also, I still use SheepShaver for some things because it's got less overhead (and on Leopard it's pretty much your only choice, even if it isn't as seamless). On a real 32-bit PPC, it will be faster at running 68K software than Basilisk because the nanokernel's 68K emulator is better than Basilisk's. But on a system that *isn't* PowerPC, or isn't big-endian, Basilisk will be faster at running 68K software because SheepShaver must emulate the PowerPC emulating a 68K. (The experimental JIT notwithstanding, which has various problems.) Particularly where a PowerPC JIT isn't available for SheepShaver, Basilisk will be substantially quicker. It's all a matter of what you want to optimize for.
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #2 on: October 18, 2023, 08:18
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I have been trying for ages to get SheepSaver to run on amd64 or Arm64 Linux and failed. While it at least runs on the former, it won't even compile right on the later. Under amd64 it starts OK, but is slow as molasses and won't run anything 8.x at acceptable speeds. Basilisk II on the other hand performs at breakneck speed on both platforms. When I try it with System 7 it reacts almost instantly. Emulating a PPC is just a whole more demanding than doing so with a 68k CPU. On Windoze SheepSaver seems to be well established, but I can't confirm it because I've never used it on that platform. Same goes for present day Mac HW. Thus for me its B-II to the end and 68k rulez! 
Last Edit: October 18, 2023, 08:21 by 68040
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #3 on: October 18, 2023, 14:23
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I am running the last of the Intel MBP. It does a very nice job with QEMU and with Sheepshaver and it was only a couple days ago that I gave B-II a try. The only problem I am having with it is sorting our resolutions and full screen. QEMU and Sheepshaver handle the resolutions and full screen very seamlessly with the Monitors CP working very well to select a resolution and in both going to full screen results in a very nice looking desktop. When B-II goes full screen it leaves the desktop elements very tiny, and the Monitors CP does not set a useful resolution. However B-II does run well in a window, and it is really very fast. 7.6.1 fastest on native hardware and fastest in an emulator. How knew? Ah something new to have more fun with. 
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #4 on: October 18, 2023, 16:01
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I could never get QEMU to emulate PPC with any meaningful degree of performance. And why bother with it for 68k if I have B-II? There are extensions to deal with the tiny screen element/font issue in high resolutions. For all else, YMMV, specially if you're not trying to run it under Linux Arm64 or amd64.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #5 on: October 18, 2023, 18:27
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To add to the discussion, I just played with Basilisk II and the latest Android, as of this post anyway! It's the only emulator for this platform and Chrome OS outside of Mini vMac, but I prefer B-II. However, it appears to be a somewhat broken with Android 13, but in the end it can be made to work with some tinkering under the hood!  And as everyone has rightly mentioned, Basilisk II indeed does speed way past its competition, and for lightning speeds I love System 7.6.1, especially the version updated to work with HFS+ drives, a big update since it was exclusive (at least up until now anyway) to Mac OS 8.1 and up!  I really enjoy some of the GUI bells-and-whistles of Mac OS 8, so I tend to run that one a little more as a daily driver
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