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Bolkonskij
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on: June 19, 2023, 19:05
Ok, I know this is a somewhat controversial topic given the hype and all, but I think it is still worth discussing as it makes it's rounds. Just please remember we're a retro computing forum, not an ethical / political discussion board :-) So greystash created a ChatGPT front-end for classic Mac OS including 68k Mac OS computers. Many of you have undoubtedly heard of this before. He recently published version 2.1 and after trying it on my IIci I got to admit, he's done a marvellous job implementing it. I can now ask a dumb pattern-recognition algorythm questions and get readable responses thanks to an advanced linguistic algo on my 68k Mac. It's somewhat faster than Google to use on a 68k System 7 Mac, so it's a nice alternative if you want to know who high the Burj Khalifa tower is. One just needs to be aware that this thing is lying rather than admiting to not know anything, so better take all answers with a grain of salt. Anyway, here's the Official Website (use iCab to view it on System 7). Somebody else been using it on System 7? What's your experience with it? |
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cballero
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1024 MB  Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #1 on: June 20, 2023, 09:10
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Well, doesn't that beat all.. AI Q&A comes to Classic Macs!  Color me impressed!! 
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ovalking
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Reply #2 on: June 21, 2023, 15:10
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Yes, this is an interesting and fun project. And potentially useful if the answers could be relied upon. I have had a few crashes and issues (OS 7/8/9) which has limited my use, but just had a play with v2.1 which went well. I'm impressed that you can h ave quite a sensible conversation with it. Communication seems to be it's strength. Have you tried languages other than English? But I'm not sure I'd count it as AI - more langauge robot. I've not seen any evidence of a learning capability yet - it stumbles on a 'what have you learned?' question. It also has a problem with the concept of time. e.g. thinks its 2021..
Last Edit: June 21, 2023, 21:40 by ovalking
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #3 on: June 21, 2023, 18:33
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I find this AI version to be so PC warped that I refuse to use it for research until the frontend client can be connected to a more neutral implementation. Heck, that thing gave me a vegan lecture, when I simply asked it about cooking recipes for meat.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #4 on: June 22, 2023, 16:27
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Generally I slurp up new technology like candy, but for all this AI stuff popping up I find myself with no real interest in it. I do find it amusing that something has finally came along putting the fear of god into Google. What I would most like to see and am looking forward to is improvement to search engines. Although I am skeptical of seeing much happening on that front. It would be nice to ask a simple question and get a solid reliable answer without the mountain of cruft one generally gets when making such an inquiry. I ask how tall was Abraham Lincoln. The first two pages of results are ads for businesses with "Lincoln" in their name, followed by two pages of businesses with "Abraham" in their name and another two pages of companies selling rulers. Of course with rampant capitalism ruling there is almost zero chance that companies will pass up an opportunity to try and sell you something. So in all my cynicism I think it will most likely sendup becoming just another and more powerful way to manipulate users. It actually seems a good time to hide behind the safety of System7.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #5 on: June 23, 2023, 11:49
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You're not alone with these fears. I share your desire for a better search engine but unless there is some decentralized way to it, it's a very path mankind will start walking down. We already see this with Wikipedia - whatever is on Wikipedia is deemed true by the average Jane and Joe. The fact that it's a huge battleturf of PR agencies and ideologies of all kinds totally gets ignored. Still, it's fun to test the thing for the technical interest. Unlike others, I don't see any dangers and I don't see that much improvement since the introduction of Eliza (URL retro compatible). Yes, it's more sophisticated, but it's still no intelligence in the way you'd define human intelligence. And at the core, it's still just an extensive pattern-recognition algorithm made possible by the more powerful computers of the day. There isn't really that much new to it when it comes to the general idea.
Last Edit: June 23, 2023, 11:51 by Bolkonskij
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #6 on: June 24, 2023, 12:47
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Talking about Wikipedia, they just reclassified a homocidal German serial killer there as "female", just because the dude says so. So, don't be surprised that the number of female maniacs is going to skyrocket in the coming years. We already live in a "virtualized" reality and AI just makes it so much easier to produce ever more of it. Which does set it apart from its predecessor Eliza. And I keep having my doubts, that the political bias of ChatGPT is entirely accidental.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #7 on: June 24, 2023, 17:37
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I think a lot of the "fake" stuff that people are shocked an AI is able to produce used to be produced by humans before. When I was a student in the early 2000s, companies hired students on my course to write fake reviews for Amazon for example. It's just that the cost of producing this stuff will decrease, at least for now. There will be counter measures as there have always been. Other than that, please can we please leave controversial topics to the real world and just enjoy using System 7 together in 2023? No discussion on here will change anything out in the real world :-)
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #8 on: June 24, 2023, 18:40
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Agreed, but I just wish the author of the vintage ChatGPT client could hurry up making it more open minded as far as the backend is concerned. Because right now I don't see a good use case for that tool in my shed.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #9 on: November 16, 2024, 14:02
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I was wondering: how can a program like this be made to work on a Classic Mac? Does Greystash (that's a really cool username btw  ) host the connecting source (a backend I suppose?) as a form of proxy then? I recently discovered that hosting companies sometimes offer something called a VPS (virtual private server?) is that a sort of virtual environment where things like this could be jimmied to come to life, or could it be achieved with something even simpler?I'm naturally curious and drawn to as to how someone (a brilliant someone at that) can bridge Classic Mac desktop programs like his 68k and PPC offerings to AI (APIs?). Admittedly, until the Internet began going 2.0, with fancier JavaScript, CSS and then SSL, most sites could display with varying degrees of success on older web browsers, so I imagine this tool could tunnel the simpler HTTP protocol. Again, I'm half-guessing on most of this stuff trying to wrap my mind around the concepts that would make such a delightful creation possible!
Last Edit: November 16, 2024, 14:06 by cballero
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #10 on: November 16, 2024, 15:37
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The Mac OS program is a "dumb shell" that takes a user's input and routes it the way of ChatGPT (and parsing the answer and displaying it in the Mac OS client). The neat part is making sure the request gets through and back. I really like it. I think there's potential for a lot of cool Mac OS applications by "offloading" the intense work and using it as a client.
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snes1423
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256 MB Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina
Reply #11 on: November 16, 2024, 17:54
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ive never liked AI it feeds off (steals) your data and sells it to the highest bidder
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #12 on: November 17, 2024, 01:37
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I do not really worry about "stealing data" If I ask a question on the forum, someone provides a solution should I ask permission to use it. If I pass that solution on to someone else do I become a thief? I think a lot of this supposed stealing is nonsense. Neanderthals in ages long past drew antelope on the walls of a cave, has everyone since who has drawn an antelope stealing a Neanderthal's intellectual property. How far does it actually go? Is everyone who has ever drawn stealing the concept of drawing? Humanity has always advanced by sharing knowledge and ideas. The whole concept of intellectual property rights is itself a rather new invention and I think a solid case could be made that it has done as much to hamper our advancement tha AI will ever do.
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Neal_SE30
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256 MB Posts: 401 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #13 on: November 19, 2024, 18:21
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That’s hilarious, liking the idea though, why not not tried it yet, still need to put network in my se/30. I presume it’ll work in b&w
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan
Reply #14 on: January 03, 2025, 06:30
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I do not understand the curiosity and appeal of Skynet-wannabe AI.
Last Edit: January 03, 2025, 06:37 by ShinobiKenobi
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