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MTT
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on: March 10, 2023, 06:24
Macintosh System Software 7.1.1 - AKA System 7 Pro, was in 1993, the first major update of the Mac OS since 7.1's introduction made the previous year. System 7 Pro remains today one of my favorite versions of System 7 for the 68k Macintosh. -But it suffered from some serious bloat and at the time, it had a hefty US$100+ price tag. This "bloat" can be summed up in one tiny acronym: AOCE - The "Apple Open Collaboration Environment". System 7 Pro was targeted toward the Business, Government, Higher Education market: And as Apple's promotional statement claimed "Working With Others Has Never Been Easier ". However, the user's and the experts tended to disagree. For the end user, the AOCE component was called "PowerTalk". On the network admin server-side, the AOCE component was called "PowerServe" and cost approx. US$1000 per station. So what is this AOCE stuff ? (longish...) Quote from: MacTech Review: - AOCE The next great Macintosh Advantage ? Quote from: Wikipedia article: - Apple Open Collaboration Environment (HTTPS) Quote from: roughlydrafted.com - The Roughly Drafted Review Quote from: Apple Developers Footnote - Dev Technotes for Mac OS 7.6 (WA HTTPS) So what do you get with a System 7 Pro install ? - And what is in there that's good about it ? Along with the AOCE additions, System 7 Pro was the first Mac OS release to include AppleScript (v1.0.1) and the Scriptable Finder v7.1.3, it also included QuickTime v1.6.1, a considerable improvement over previous releases. Also on board, were updated System Enablers for all known Mac models of that period which depended on their presence. My first impression of 7 Pro was one of disappointment. Due largely to the inability to custom install 7.1.1 without installing the AOCE part, which I couldn't see myself needing. However, I soon discovered that removing the unwanted parts post installation was simple and painless. System 7.1.1 is a very modular affair, where the System file is the core unit and the additional AOCE components are just that, components that can quietly vanish if not required. And without the bloat, 7.1.1 becomes a thoroughbred racehorse. To streamline 7.1.1 - Remove the parts you don't need: 1) On the 7 Pro desktop are two files, "Catalog" and the "MailBox". These cannot be removed, they are dynamic and get recreated each time the System starts up. By disabling their components in the Control Panels and Extensions folders, they no longer exist. 2) Apple Menu Items Folder: Remove the files "Find in Catalog" and "Personal Catalog". 3) Control Panels Folder: Remove "PowerTalk Setup". 4) Extensions Folder: Remove "AppleTalk Service", Catalogs Extension", "Mailbox Extension", "PowerTalk Extension", and "PowerTalk Manager". 5) From the System Folder: Remove any unnecessary "System Enablers", at most you will only need the one specific to your Mac model (or none at all). The installer installs all of these whether required or not. My 2nd discovery was the 7.1.3 Finder contained hidden features. Well with the 7.1.3 Finder, a single hidden feature that I now couldn't live without. This was "Control+drag" icons to create aliases. Seems simple now, but back when using System 7.0, creating an alias meant using the menus to make an alias file that was placed into the same folder as the item to alias, and it would be named "<item>.alias", meh. System 7.1 improved on this by including Command key strokes "Command+M", but you still ended up with an "<item>.alias" in the same folder as the original. For me, being able to drag out an alias file to a location of my choosing, and without a trailing ".alias" attached to the name, was a game changer. To enable this feature, a 3rd party Extension was required. This hidden Finder feature (and others) remained hidden until Mac OS 8.0 arrived, when "Command+Option+drag" to create an alias, became the norm. I later discovered the Scriptable Finder could also be installed to System 7.1 and those features then became available to 7.1 too, but for me 7.1.1 was there for me first. Adding more usefulness to the now streamlined 7.1.1: • AppleScript v1.1 - This is a more forwards compatible AppleScript than the original installed version. • BeHierarchic 1.0.5 - Gives cascading folder items in the Apple Menu, useful for pre 7.5 Systems. I prefer this earlier version for it's basic 7.5-like feel (and wouldn't be surprised to find that Apple had purchased the rights to it for 7.5+). • Finder Options 1.0 - This enables "Control+drag" icons to create aliases. It also enables all of the known hidden features that came with later versions of System 7 (more on this shortly). • Disk Copy 6 - At a minimum, version 6.1.2. You're going to need this. • StuffIt Expander Version 5.5 or earlier. Install the above and you are on the way to having a useful System 7 Pro, ready for adding more software. My 3rd discovery came after installing an updated LaserWriter 8.5.1 software. Not only did it install LW 8.5.1, it updated several components, not least of all, it also updated the 7.1.3 Finder to "Finder version 7.5.1" ! Note: The LW 8.5.1 upgrade requires a 68020 or higher CPU to install to. If you have a Mac SE, or Plus, etc.; the LW 8.5.1 software will not install. What gets updated with a LW 8.5.1 (Easy Install): • LaserWriter 8.5.1 placed in the Extensions folder inside the System Folder. • PrintingLib version 8.5.1 is placed in the Extensions folder. • The PostScript Printer Description (PPD) files for Apple LaserWriter printers are placed in the Printer Descriptions folder. • Desktop Printer Utility, SimpleText 1.4, and the Read Me files are placed in the Apple LaserWriter Software folder. • For desktop printing, Desktop PrintMonitor v7.1.2 • ColorSync version 2.1.2, Desktop Printer Spooler v2.1, Desktop Printer Extension v2.1, and Clipping Extension v7.1.4, are placed in the Extensions folder. • Network Extension is also placed in the Extensions folder if you have Mac OS 7.1.1, 7.1.2, or 7.5. • ColorSync v2.1.2 is placed in the Extensions folder. The ColorSync profiles are placed in the ColorSync Profiles folder (in the Preferences folder inside the System Folder). The ColorSync System Profile control panel is placed in the Control Panels folder. • Finder 7.5.1 is placed in your System Folder, and Finder Help 7.1.5 is placed in the Extensions folder. • The following are placed in the Extensions folder: Thread Manager 2.1 and Macintosh Drag and Drop 1.1. • Code Fragment Manager files for the 68K are also placed in your Extensions folder in the active System Folder: CFM-68K Runtime Enabler v4.0, NuQuickTimeLib.slb v2.0.1, and NuThreadsLib.slb v2.1.1. Even if you don't own a LaserWriter printer, I recommend installing this onto 7.1.1 (the minimum Mac OS, LW 8.5.1 installs to), for the Finder 7.5.1 and added component updates. They work fine and the 7.1.1 System file is a rock solid work horse. You can download a copy of LW 8.5.1 from this Apple mirror (HTTPS); The files you need are the 6 x MacBinary II archives named "LW_8.5.1-1of6.img.bin" through "LW_8.5.1-6of6.img.bin". When downloaded, these extract to Disk Copy 6 ".img" files. My 4th discovery was, I could manually replace that updated 7.5.1 Finder with an updated Finder 7.5.5 along with the "Finder Scripting Extension" from a System 7.5.3 installation. By doing so, the Finder from the 7.5.3 installation enabled all of the hidden Finder features that the "Finder Options" Control Panel could activate. The more useful one being "Command+backspace" to move items to the Trash. Beyond The Finder from a 7.5.3 install, I later found that Mac OS 7.5.5's Finder had no issues running with the 7.1.1 System file, either. Finally, I also found that the Finder from a System 7.6 install, presented no problem to running on System 7.1.1 here. Yes, it is possible to run System 7.1.1 on a 68k Mac using the Finder from a 7.6 install, plus the updated components added by a LW 8.5.1 install, and it all works really nicely. But there is probably little advantage going beyond the manual inclusion of the updated Finder and "Finder Scripting Extension" from a System 7.5.3 installation, on top of the LW 8.5.1 installed Finder. All hidden features which can be enabled, end with that Finder, and I don't know of any more hidden Finder features that were included in System 7 since then (or were there ?)... Where can I find System 7 Pro ?: From the Macintosh Garden of course. DL #11 on that MG page for the US English 7 Pro installers. DL #13 on that MG page for multiple language install sets of 7 Pro. |
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Last Edit: March 12, 2023, 04:14 by MTT
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wove
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1024 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1363
Reply #1 on: March 10, 2023, 15:52
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Exceptionally nice write up thank you. I got System7.1.1 Pro at a school auction along with some nice old Mac gear. I had picked up enough old Macs that all the kids could have their own. I used the LocalTalk cabling I picked up to set us up a home network (my first network). While everything you say is true and today there are much better choices for networking. At that time we found PowerTalk to be really really nice. We could share the ColorLaserWriter I got at the auction. The Quadra 840 came with a geoport modem, which took us from a 9600baud modem, all the way to 28.8, and with Powertalk we could share the connection. (Humours to think about being excited about having 4 computer shares a 28.8kbps modem. PowerTalk included an email client that not only allowed for exchanging email over the network, but could also handle internet connected email. There is no doubt networking has improved vastly and PowerTalk is just some old half baked thing, but it was pretty cool to play with. Our family really enjoyed the connectivity and the sharing of lots of resources. Again thanks for the nice article and the trip down back to an old and now very obsolete upgrade to the Mac OS.
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cballero
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1024 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #2 on: March 11, 2023, 05:08
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Wow MTT, the manual Finder updates are quite revelatory for stretching the coolness of System 7 Pro! ![]() I always like to see how far an OS can be updated, and your feats are a perfect example of this principle. And like Wove shared, I too made good use of PowerTalk for email services when it was en vogue ![]() And that feat also brings together my absolute two favorite System 7 versions, Pro and Mac OS 7.6.1.. kudos for exploring all of the combinational possibilities of the System 7 Pro System file and newer Finder versions! ![]() The additional extras just sweeten the pie even further.. now you're making me want to install it in Basilisk II!
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2023
Reply #3 on: March 11, 2023, 09:57
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Wow, this post is solid gold, MTT. In fact, it has so much "meat on the bone" that I'll probably need to read it twice and go through the stuff individually. I've always avoided Pro for the bloat reason but I'm considering to give it a spin on my IIci. The backporting of the Finder is a cool idea and might enhance compatibility with software that otherwise requires 7.5 or 7.6 for features. On the downside, it might kill off some 80's legacy software support adding the 7.6 Finder. Not sure how many titles that would be, but might be a possibility. Of course, one could always switch back ... So all in all, this is a fantastic post. Thank you!
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68040
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512 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #4 on: March 11, 2023, 12:00
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Quote ...OMG!
Last Edit: March 11, 2023, 12:03 by 68040
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2023
Reply #5 on: March 11, 2023, 17:10
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Yep. That's about machines like the Mac Plus or the Mac SE. And yet you can do some nice stuff with them unless it's web browsing :-)
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68040
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512 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #6 on: March 11, 2023, 18:30
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I just read a piece in the "Whole Earth Catalog" from Spring of 1984, where a wise analysts concluded that the IBM PC was "a lousy standard for the Industry", due to it often being incompatible with its own kind and unpredictable in its development. In it the author also outlined IBM's financial prowess, lamenting that the sheer size of its immense profits - US$ 4.4 billion for the PC division in that year - made it almost ungovernable. And now Microsoft plans to purchase 1 video game company for over $60 billion! Talk about being ungovernable. Who is in charge of society these days anyway?
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2023
Reply #7 on: March 11, 2023, 20:55
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Well, nothing wrong with that statement, isn't it? IBM-PCs were horrible to use but "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM", hence you'd find those ugly boxes in nearly every office. Microsoft spending that amount of money just shows what a big business games have become. How much money is made in video games comparted to music sales and movies these days? *backing up my IIci. Will give MTT's setup a try. Sure takes some time to network copy those files to the G4 ;-)
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MTT
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256 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #8 on: March 12, 2023, 00:25
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@Bolkonskij: Your IIci may benefit from a fresh OS install, anyway ![]() System 7 Pro is the only OS I use in my Centris 660av Mac. I've had 7 Pro installed on it (without reinstalling the OS again), since the day after I first brought it home, approx. 13 - 14 years ago. So I know this OS version and Mac are a reliable item together. It uses the Finder from a 7.5.3 install (Finder 7.5.5) which I applied manually after the LW 8.5.1 software updates were installed, as described above. There will be some 68k software that will look at the System version and refuse to install claiming it requires a later OS. I can't recall which offhand, but I don't think that there will be many that won't install and there isn't much you cannot do with 7.1.1, that any 68k Mac running 7.6 or earlier can do. The obvious limitations will be the CPU that's in use, i.e.; What requires an '040 to run on, will likely balk at anything below, regardless of Finder versions. I'm currently using iCab 2.9.9 on my Centris to reply to this thread ![]() I don't know how iCab fares on an '030 I don't know about using legacy 80's software on this system. The stuff I tend to run on it stems from the 90's onward. I guess you'll discover what works or not there. @cballero: Be inspired - Basilisk II loves 7.1.1 (uses a Mac IIci setting), disk drive images to install it onto are easy to create ![]() I run 7 Pro (and several other versions of the Mac OS) on Basilisk II and Mini vMac II.
Last Edit: March 12, 2023, 03:20 by MTT
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68040
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512 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #9 on: March 12, 2023, 03:20
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Basilisk-II luvs 8.1 even more.
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wove
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1024 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1363
Reply #10 on: March 12, 2023, 03:40
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I have never had any luck getting anything useful setup with Basilisk, but I have always had good luck with sheepshaver. I guess everyone has their own favorite poison. Basilisk I think can run System 6, but as much as I loved System 6, I really can not see running it on anything other than the hardware it came with. I do like 7.1, but for System 7 I did come to the conclusion that Dan was right and 7.6.1 was better. Most of that though was related to how quick and easy it was to setup, keep lean and yet to a large extent you could run just about anything from the remainder of Classic MacOS that you felt you needed. I saw the era from OS 8 until the end as something of just a nonsensical blur and it was always my opinion that if you want to jump beyond 7.6.1, you may as well just jump up to the last 9.2.2. Not that the last of the Classic Mac OSes were really very good.
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cballero
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1024 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #11 on: March 12, 2023, 05:52
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@MTT: could I trouble you for an upload of your souped-up Pro/7.6.1 system, and possibly your favorite System 7 Pro combo too, either as a compressed folder or image? I only ask for this because I know myself: I'll be tinkering away at this for a good, long while trying to assemble it properly so far I dropped a System 7.1.1 System file into a Mac OS 7.6.1 install and it runs circles around my Basilisk II OS 8.1 install, but items like the Internet don't work.My fav 68k OSes are System 7 Pro and Mac OS 7.6.1/8.1. 7's always been wicked fast but 8.1 brought nice GUI updates and HFS+. But with HFS+ having been uncovered for several System 7 versions, I do want to try it out to see if it can give 8.1 a run for its money, especially for older Macs or HFS+ on Macs OS 7.6.1 shipped with! With this I can also use PopupFolder, one of my favorite System 7-only extensions I'd only miss OS 8's spring-loaded folders and AtEase like finder button views. Another game-changer would be if WebDAV-client Goliath's source is made to work on 68k Macs again, as such a version was lost in an untimely hard disk crash not that long ago
Last Edit: March 12, 2023, 23:44 by cballero
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mac-cellar
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128 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 176 Gotta love System 7
Reply #12 on: March 12, 2023, 21:16
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Thanks for this thread, MTT. A great resource!
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68040
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512 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #13 on: March 12, 2023, 23:36
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@wove - Show me an OS9 that runs on 68k and I'll give it a try. ![]() Until then MacOS 8.1 has the best blend between good looks and technical prowess for me - at least if I can operate it on the proper hardware to support its demanding needs. Which luckily enough I do, thx to Basilisk-II running on a speedy ARM64 device.
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cballero
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1024 MB ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #14 on: March 13, 2023, 02:17
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Oh! And by far the easiest ISO image to use to install any Classic Mac OS volume is the Apple Legacy CD (in case anyone hasn't already tried it!) ![]() http://www.mediafire.com/file/7cahcay31btd7e4/Apple_Legacy_CD.iso/file
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