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1 Software / Online Multiplayer game for system 7??
December 07, 2006, 23:29 		I always enjoyed playing Marathon... it should run great on System 7 boxes. The original versions came with multiple codes to authorize more than one (as in two) system to play from the same installation media. I don't think this is an issue with the free version.

That was the only multiplayer game I ever played in System 7 (I don't know many people who played games, so it wasn't a high priority to find those types of games).
2 Hardware / Re: Need help with my 8500/120
November 10, 2006, 21:44
Quote from: "jmarran14221"
I also have 2 HDD installed.  My main OS is 9.1.  Problem is...is that I downloaded 7.5.3 from Apple's website.  When I unzipped everything, I chose the Universal Installation for ANY Mac.  After installing, I chose the 7.5.3 disk with Startup Disk.  The Mac starts...and then I get a warning message stating that it is the "wrong startup disk".  What does this mean?

Just a quick question... what format did you use for the 7.5.3 disk?

Drive Setup with Mac OS 9 only warns people that Mac OS Extended requires a PowerPC system... it doesn't tell people that you must be using Mac OS 8.1 or later.

It sounds like you installed 7.5.3 on a HFS+ (Mac OS Extended) volume rather than an HFS (Mac OS Standard) formatted volume.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/drive_setup/setup_03.jpg)
3 Hardware / Power Book Duo 230, help!
November 10, 2006, 21:33 		Well, here are a couple possibilities...[list=1]
  • Memory error. This doesn't mean the memory is bad, because you can get that type of sound if you add/replace memory without clearing the PRAM (or reset the logic board) on older Macs .
  • The battery is really bad. I've seen Duos with batteries so bad that they wouldn't start with them connected. Easiest solution is to pull the battery. If you want b bad battery in (for esthetics), cover the leads of the battery with electrical tape.[/list:o]To clear the PRAM on that system, hold down apple-option-P-R while starting it. Hold those keys down until the system has done the startup chime three times and then let go of them. I'd do this with the battery out if I were you.
4 Software / MiniBench Scores
October 06, 2006, 04:03
Quote from: "Lixivial"
I'm going to see if I can run this in Blue Box on Rhapsody -- I realize it does not work in Classic, but I'm curious if it works in Blue Box.

Quote from: "RacerX"
79.7
System: Power Macintosh 8600
Processor: PowerPC 604e at 300 MHz, 1 MB L2
Memory: 416 MB of RAM
Video: 4 MB of VRAM  on logic board (monitor being used)
ATI Rage 128 with 16 MB of VRAM (monitor not being used)
Operating System: Rhapsody 5.6 (Blue Box: Mac OS 8.6)


I'm guessing you haven't read the other posts in the thread yet.
5 Software / MiniBench Scores
October 05, 2006, 07:12 		Oh... okay.

I was thinking that the 8600/250 was different than the 8600/300, but it isn't. Both have 1 MB of L2 on a special 100 MHz bus direct to the processor. The 8600/200 was the one that came with 256k standard on the same bus as the rest of the memory (at 50 MHz).

I'd give it another day or so to collect scores and then we can see just how the scores are skewed.

If we see a curve along a family of processors that should have a pretty straight progression, then it may just end up being the last calculation to make the faster scores larger.

... but for now it is still too early to tell.


Um... this isn't homework, is it?

If you have a deadline for this as a project, I'll pull more systems out of storage to get some more results.
6 Hardware / Bigger drives under OS 7.5 (or 7.6?)
October 05, 2006, 07:02 		This is going to sound messy... well, because it is... but you may want to try  connecting to the second SCSI bus on the logic board (there are two... one for the CD-ROM and one for the internal drives).

Either the bus port is damaged on the logic board, or the ribbon is damaged, or the adapter for the drives is damaged... and as your system as two SCSI buses, that would be the first place I would start in looking to see where the problem is.

The best tool (software wise) for this is SCSIProbe.
7 Software / MiniBench Scores
October 05, 2006, 06:35 		Well, I can see where something like L2 cache would help a system in this case... which may have helped the 3400c.

What size L2 does your 8600 have?

And actually what you are doing right now is the best way to see how the test works out... trying it on as many processors as possible and seeing how they pan out compared to what you know of each.

And in this set of test, throw out the Blue Box score... I found out here that there is some performance penalty from Blue Box.

So it may be a good idea to get a few more results and then plot them to see where they land compared to where you would think (from experience) that they would land.

Once you have an idea how this test is working, it'll be easier to tweak it to get a more consistent set of results. Trying to make changes right now would be working in the dark.
8 Software / MiniBench Scores
October 05, 2006, 05:32 		Is it me or does the 604e not perform that well on this test?

I can't imagine how my PowerBook 3400c (603e at 200 MHz) can score 14% slower than your 8600 (604e at 250 MHz) when the 3400c is 20% slower in clock speed.

In most of the tests I've seen the 604e is 15% to 25% faster than the 603e at the same clock speed.

I had put together a graphic of relative speeds of some processors so I would have a reference... as I recall (as it is an old graphic) these are SPEC scores.

(http://www.shawcomputing.net/racerx/processors_rhap.gif)
9 Software / MiniBench Scores
October 05, 2006, 05:13 		60.0
System: PowerBook 3400c
Processor: PowerPC 603e at 200 MHz, 265k L2
Memory: 80 MB of RAM
Video: 2 MB of VRAM  on logic board
Operating System: Mac OS 8.6


28.7
System: PowerBook Duo 2300c
Processor: PowerPC 603e at 100 MHz
Memory: 56 MB of RAM
Video: 512k of VRAM
Operating System: Mac OS 8.6

158.3
System: Power Macintosh 8100av
Processor: G3 at 500 MHz, 1 MB of L2
Memory: 208 MB of RAM
Video: 2 MB of VRAM
Operating System: Mac OS 8.6
10 Software / MiniBench Scores
October 05, 2006, 04:45 		79.7
System: Power Macintosh 8600
Processor: PowerPC 604e at 300 MHz, 1 MB L2
Memory: 416 MB of RAM
Video: 4 MB of VRAM  on logic board (monitor being used)
ATI Rage 128 with 16 MB of VRAM (monitor not being used)
Operating System: Rhapsody 5.6 (Blue Box: Mac OS 8.6)


154.2
System: Power Macintosh 8600
Processor: G3 at 450 MHz, 1 MB L2
Memory: 256 MB of RAM
Video: ixMicro Ultimate Rez (TwinTurbo 128M-3D) with 8 MB VRAM (monitor being used)
ixMicro Pro Rez (TwinTurbo 128M-3D) with 8 MB VRAM  (monitor not being used)
Operating System: Mac OS 8.6
11 Software / MiniBench Scores
October 04, 2006, 15:58 		The image doesn't work on any of my systems... old Mac OS disk images (.img files) keep part of the required image info in their resource fork... that is stripped off when shared in any way other than an AppleTalk/AppleShare connection. Neither HTTP nor FTP preserve Mac OS resource forks.

If you want to distribute apps as disk images, I can convert them to Self Mounting Images (.smi files) which can be transfered via the net and don't require that the person have Disk Copy installed on their systems.
12 Software / SpeedDoubler 8 from s7t doesn't work
September 26, 2006, 07:46
Quote from: "dpaanlka"
If you're still having problems later today, I'll convert it to a Disk Copy 6 disk image, which should transfer fine.

Actually, that would most likely work worse than the current StuffIt solution you are using... the old img files kept information about the image (like checksum) in the resource fork... that would get stripped by the internet (the newer dmg files don't have this short coming).

I would suggest creating smi images (self mounting images) which don't require Disk Copy to mount them. All my software for older Macs is stored on CDs this way.

In Mac OS X you can make smi images using DropDMG.



The solution here is for the original poster to forget double-click... it just isn't going to work.

You should either drag the file onto the StuffIt Expander icon or start StuffIt Expander and open the file via the open dialog box.
13 Software / System 7 Games
September 20, 2006, 03:22 		Yeah... Marathon. It's a great game.
14 Emulation / SheepShaver
September 14, 2006, 17:55 		Agreed.

I have yet to get it up and running. I also haven't spent much time on trying as I have a ton of older hardware that lets me run System 6 to Mac OS 9.
15 Hardware / G4 Testing and AltVec Project
August 31, 2006, 03:35
Quote from: "dpaanlka"
I'm sure RacerX will chime in with a much better explanation.

Actually the QuickTime 5 example you gave is excellent.
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