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3133
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on: May 14, 2007, 22:41
I introduced myself in the Welcome section as a complete newcomer to the 68k Mac, trying to turn my Quadra 650 into a usable system. OS 7.5.5 is installed, I have an RJ45 connection to my Linux router, but I can't fathom out how to talk to the router because no zones are installed. I thought that a Network Access boot disk might help me so prepared one, booted from it, and found myself still with same dilemma. Can someone tell me how I install zones? Until I can reach the internet I can do nothing. |
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wove
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1024 MB  Posts: 1363 
Reply #1 on: May 15, 2007, 03:25
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Quote from: "3133" I introduced myself in the Welcome section as a complete newcomer to the 68k Mac, trying to turn my Quadra 650 into a usable system. OS 7.5.5 is installed, I have an RJ45 connection to my Linux router, but I can't fathom out how to talk to the router because no zones are installed. I thought that a Network Access boot disk might help me so prepared one, booted from it, and found myself still with same dilemma. Can someone tell me how I install zones? Until I can reach the internet I can do nothing. I am unclear what you mean by "zones". The only option dealing with "zones" I am aware of in the Mac OS is found in the AppleTalk control panel. Since you are only looking for internet access, you should not need AppleTalk. Backing up a bit. Are you sure you have a working network connection? On the Q650 you would most likely either be using a transceiver connected to the built in AAUI port, or you would have installed a third party networking card. The Mac OS includes the software needed to use the AAUI port along with the transceiver. If you are using a third party network card, you will most likely need to install drivers for it. At the top of the TCP/IP control panel is a box, which when clicked on will display the available network ports on the computer. You need to make sure you select the port that you are using. If the port you are trying to use does not show up, it is a strong indication that you need drivers for that port. If the port is working and selected you should then be able to select DHCP and the system should take it from there. If the Mac OS had networking set on another port, there should be a delay and a dialog box will appear stating that it is checking/changing ports. Often older OpenTransport versions will have trouble getting "DNS" server addresses and you can simplify the process by entering them manually. You can bypass DHCP and manually enter the address for your router and then assign an IP address to the Q650. If that is successful then you should be able to ping the Mac from another machine on your network. For more in depth reading and a better understanding of Mac network Three Macs is and excellent resource. Sustainable Software a commercial software house makes all their Mac networking manuals available and they cover in-depth the ins and outs of Mac networking. Keep us posted please, we just love to see old Macs on the internet. bill
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3133
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Reply #2 on: May 15, 2007, 14:30
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wove wrote: "I am unclear what you mean by zones..........." Thanks for your prompt reply. This 'zones' business shows just how clueless I am when it comes to the Mac. The TCP/IP panel shows ethernet capability and is set for DHCP. My connection to my Linux router is through a CentreCom transceiver plugged into a socket on the back of the Quadra. This has an rj45 socket for the cable to my hub. When the machine is powered up, the lights on the transceiver are on and so also is the light on the hub. It's clear that I need a browser to communicate with the router. My problem is how to get one installed. I downloaded Communicator_4_0_8 and burned the bin file to a data CD, hoping that the Mac system would autmatically extract the files from the archive, but this didn't happen, so the necessary unpacking software can't be on the system. Since my last post, I have managed to borrow a Windows machine, with the following plan in mind. Perhaps you can tell me whether this will work or if I am barking up the wrong tree. The plan is as follows: On the Windows box install Winimage and Stuffit for Windows. Download a browser, unstuffit the archive, use Winimage to form a disk image and burn this to a CD. My hope is that the Mac system will be able to take it from there. Do you think this is realistic?
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #3 on: May 16, 2007, 14:45
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It is my understanding that StuffIt for Windows can unstuff Mac files, but I have no personal experience using it. I would be easiest if Winimage could create an HFS disk which any Mac can read. If Winimage creates Windows CDs or ISO CDs, then the Mac will require an extension to read them. Look in the Extension folder inside your System Folder. If it contains the Joliet extension it can read Windows disks. If it contains the ISO 9660 extension then it can read an ISO disk and of course if both extensions are present then your Q 650 should be able to read both. Keep us posted on your progress. I think you are working new territory and any updates you provide will improve our collective wisdom (well mine anyway). bill
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cr2032
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64 MB Posts: 81 
Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 18:42
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I tried before in Quadra 950 that we need to drag the file into the Stuffit icon to "force" it being extracting. And I think your file is saved into CD not hard disk, the file can not be easily extract like the file inside the hard disk.
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3133
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Reply #5 on: May 23, 2007, 01:34
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Two replies here: First to cr2032: The installed system on the Q650 is very bare. oes not have Stuffit. I am trying to create Mac readable floppies on a Windows PC, so far with no success. Second to Wove: After getting nowhere with Winimage I tried Transmac. The Mac read the disk but couldn't execute because it couldn't the program which wrote it. I am rapidly running out of options.
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MonksMac
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1 MB Posts: 1 
Reply #6 on: May 23, 2007, 01:55
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I think you need to have Stuffit on the Mac to decode the .bin or .sit files. My understanding is that if you use stuffit on the PC it will corrupt the resource fork(correct me if I'm wrong). If you have any floppies I believe HFV explorer can create Mac formatted floppy disks. MM P.S. First Post!
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wall
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256 MB Posts: 343
Reply #7 on: May 23, 2007, 08:46
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Here's an article: "Making Floppies and CDs for Older Macs Using Modern Macs, Windows, and Linux PCs" http://lowendmac.com/sable/07/0315.html
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gillham
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16 MB Posts: 30
Reply #8 on: July 31, 2007, 23:47
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Did you ever solve this? If you check out Mini vMac (ask google) the author has a disk image of a "bin unpack" utility that will get you going. Just write that out to a floppy on a Windows box using rawrite32 (google again) if you don't have anything else and it should get a .bin unpacker for System 6 or 7 etc. The 1.44MB disk image can also be mounted with disk copy if you manage to get it to your mac some other way. -Andrew
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