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roba85
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on: December 14, 2006, 22:51
Hello, I don't know if anyone has encountered this problem: I've a Powerbook Duo 2300c and have got hold of an Ultradock 16sce, which has SCSI and ethernet connectors, with which I was hoping to install 7.6, connect to the internet and so on. However, with the dock inserted, the machine won't boot properly - it hangs at a grey screen with a moving pointer. It doesn't get as far as the happy mac symbol (or a sad one for that matter). However the ADB and sound out ports of the dock must be working beacuse I can hear the startup chime and the pointer will move with a plug-in mouse. Is the dock just broken do you think? Or is there some setting or known problem at work here? I'd be greatful for any advice, many thanks!! |
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 00:27
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Quote from: "roba85" Hello, I have a Duo 280c and the same Ultradock 16sce. The Duo booted fine with the dock attached even before the drivers were installed. The drivers are availabe here on System7today, in the help center under driver downloads. I would try and see what happens with nothing attached to the dock. You can power the Duo from the Dock as well as power the Dock from the Duo and it might be worth checking it both ways. I assume that you can boot the Duo without having the Dock attached and it might be of value to set the system up as a bare minimum system for a start with the dock attached. Also the Duo 2300 can use either a SCSI hard drive or an ATA harddrive. If you have an ATA harddrive installed the SCSI bus might be in some indeterminate state. It might be worth hooking an external SCSI device to the dock before starting and making sure the external SCSI device is terminated. bill
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roba85
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #2 on: December 15, 2006, 18:09
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Many thanks for your advice, Bill. Unfortunately I still can't get it to work. I've given the Powerbook a clean install of 7.2.1 (which I think came with it) and tried just the dock, and the same problem still occurs. I then attached an external SCSI CD-ROM drive (the only external SCSI drive I have!) to it and tried that, but there is still a blank grey screen, no matter which power button I use. You can manually set the SCSI id on the back of the drive - I tried 1 and 0 to no avail, but should it be something specific? (The Powerbook does indeed have an ATA drive). The CD-ROM drive lights do blink a bit at startup and when the Powerbook is switched off, but nothing else happens. I had the 7.6 install CD in there at the time. Thanks for your help, Rob
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roba85
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #3 on: December 15, 2006, 18:10
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Oh, and I forgot to say, there is a terminator attached to the CD drive (does it matter which port it is attached to? The two on the back appear identical)
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 21:50
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Quote from: "roba85" Oh, and I forgot to say, there is a terminator attached to the CD drive (does it matter which port it is attached to? The two on the back appear identical) It would not matter which port the terminator is attached to. You have about exhausted any advice I can offer. There a just a couple things left I can think of. If you can run the pointer completely off the screen so it is no longer visible (not even a speck) then it is possible the machine believes an external monitor is attached and is booting on that monitor. You could also plug in and extenal monior to see if that is the case. You might also very carefully examine the pins on the connector, both on the dock and the Duo looking for any that might be bent or corroded. I you have a Duo floppy drive, you can try booting off that and if the SCSI CD ROM is Apple branded, you can try booting from that as well. Although I have never been sure that zapping the pram (command option p r at startup) is the cureall it is said to be that might be worth a shot too assuming you have not already tried it. You can also reset the Power Manager on a Duo by pressing the power button by the keyboard at the same time pressing the reset button on the back. bill
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roba85
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 14:09
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Many thanks again for your advice Bill. Sadly I've still drawn a blank. The pointer doesn't go off the screen and I don't have an Apple monitor to test the monitor out with. I've a Duo floppy drive which works fine with the floppy adaptor but when plugged in to the Ultradock the machine doesn't seem to get as far as trying to read from it. It seems the same happens with the CD-ROM drive. I tried zapping the PRAM and the power management unit, but to no effect. Looks like the dock is defective - particularly annoying as I had it shipped from America! - so I suppose I'll have to look for another solution. I don't really have room for a fully fledged dock, so am I right in thinking that the Ultradock is pretty much the only compact way of getting an ethernet port? Thanks for your time, Rob
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #6 on: December 17, 2006, 16:58
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Quote from: "roba85" . . . Sorry to hear that the Ultra Dock can not be made to work. If you know someone with a Duo, it might be worth checking the Dock on that Duo simple to insure the trouble is with the dock and not with port on the Duo. Newer was not the only company that made Ethernet Docks for the Duo. I beleive that DayStar made one as well and Newer did make Docks with Ethenet besides the Ultra dock. But all of them are rare. Ethernet connections were made using the SCSI port as well. Asanté made one as did several others. You would need to have a Dock that provides a SCSI port to use them. LocalTalk to Ethernet bridge routers/switches were also made. They are somewhat rare, fairly expensive, and are no faster than a LocalTalk connection, but they do get a localtalk only machine on an ethernet network. bill
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roba85
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #7 on: December 18, 2006, 20:22
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Thanks for all your help in this Bill. Rather perversely, it seems that the most economic solution to this for me is to buy another Powerbook! I've won a 520c on EBay which has built in Ethernet and SCSI and I'm hoping to use LocalTalk to copy files and software to it. Bizarrely, this has turned out to be the cheapest solution! Best wishes, Rob
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #8 on: December 18, 2006, 20:31
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The 520c is quite a bit slower than the 2300c. The 520c is also a 68k, whereas the 2300c is a PowerPC, so with two entirely different processors, software from the 2300c is less likely to work on the 520c.
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roba85
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #9 on: December 18, 2006, 20:35
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Would it still run 7.6 though? I know it's a rather strange way of doing things, but I could use it as a way of getting software from a network to the PowerBook Duo by localtalk, couldn't I? If the 520c is connected to Ethernet (or a SCSI CD drive for that matter) and the Duo connected to it via localtalk... I hope I've understood this correctly!
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #10 on: December 18, 2006, 21:33
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Yes, it will run 7.6.1, but it will not (for example) run Internet Explorer 5, Microsoft Office 98, Netscape 4.8, QuickTime 5, RealBasic, iView, Premiere, Photoshop 5.5, Illustrator 8, Dreamweaver, Flash Player, Opera, etc... Those require a PowerPC processor. So if you already have a PowerPC processor, and you're buying a 68k computer, then anything that you already have which requires a PowerPC processor will not run on the 520c.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #11 on: December 19, 2006, 01:31
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Quote from: "roba85" Would it still run 7.6 though? Yes you can download files from the internet on another Mac and transfer them to the Duo 2300 via localtalk using the serial port on the Duo. You can install software directly on the Duo 2300 via localtalk from any shared file. A CD connected via the SCSI port can also be shared. I installed 7.6.1 on my Duo 280 over my network. The 7.6.1 installer CD was located in the CD ROM in my 8600 and showed up on the Duo desktop and was launched from there. bill
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roba85
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #12 on: December 20, 2006, 20:37
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Thanks Bill, that's great to know: if I can get the OS and office software on to the Duo that way, I think I'll be able to live with using the floppy drive for documents and so on! The only other thing that has occurred to me is that the Duo has a built-in modem. I've successfully connected to the internet with it, but it is painfully slow (14.4 kbps I think) and as local calls are not free in the UK, downloading software updates and so on from the internet is not economical. Can a modem be used to form a direct connection to another computer? My only other Mac at the moment is an iBook G4. Thanks once more for your help so far, and season's greetings, Rob
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #13 on: December 20, 2006, 21:23
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Quote from: "roba85" Thanks Bill, that's great to know: if I can get the OS and office software on to the Duo that way, I think I'll be able to live with using the floppy drive for documents and so on! What office software are you using?
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roba85
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8 MB Posts: 10
Reply #14 on: December 20, 2006, 22:04
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I've got a copy of Office 98, which I think the 2300c might struggle with slightly, but I'm hoping Wordperfect will run more smoothly for general word processing.
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