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ShinobiKenobi
256 MB  Posts: 362 System 7 fan 
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on: January 30, 2025, 07:30
I started out making websites by typing pure HTML. But I don't want to do it that way, anymore, since it takes longer. I prefer to save time and just do it the easy way now, using WYSIWYG software. I've been using Netscape Composer, but it's buggy. Also, it can be for any classic Mac OS, since I like to develop stuff on my Power Mac G4 Quicksilver on Mac OS 9. Do you guys have any recommendations?? Edit: I like Classilla's composer |
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Last Edit: January 30, 2025, 07:54 by ShinobiKenobi
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB  Posts: 2023
Reply #1 on: January 30, 2025, 09:37
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Have you tried Dreamweaver? It's what S7T was original made with, before I re-wrote most of it by hand. Any particular standard you're looking to support (e.g. HTML3, no CSS) ?
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan
Reply #2 on: January 31, 2025, 06:08
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No, but I've heard of it. I'm making it for mid '90s computers, so the minimal standards. I'll try that. Thank you for the recommendation.
Last Edit: February 02, 2025, 03:49 by ShinobiKenobi
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #3 on: January 31, 2025, 13:08
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If you're looking for simple home brew focused web site creation tools from that era, Claris HomePage and Adobe's Page Mill fit the bill. If you have OS X on the QuickSilver there is iWeb from Apple. I thought it would be fun to make a web site, but I could never think of anything that would be of any interest or any use to the world, so I never gave it a try.
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan
Reply #4 on: February 01, 2025, 10:13
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DW2 is just a free trial, unless there is a way to get a key. Do you use it as a trial and then keep reinstalling it? Or did you find a key that works? Oh yeah, I remember hearing about Page Mill from back then. I'm using Mac OS 9.2.2 on the QS. I'll try both those. And after using Classilla's composer, I changed my mind. I don't like it. But that was more Mozilla. Yeah it's just a personal page. You can take a look at it.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #5 on: February 01, 2025, 13:34
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Everything was getting web crazy in the later 90s so applications often had some web building built into the application. I think WordPerfect 3.5 could create a web page from a document. I suspect Word had some capability along those lines. If I remember correctly RagTime also could create web pages from documents. Since Gopher at its core is a kind of document server you could get about anything you wanted up that way. Although of course it would lack the kitsch of MySpace. 
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #6 on: February 01, 2025, 16:39
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Many versions here, I didn't look at the pages, but sure they have serials http://macintoshgarden.org/search/node/dreamweaver If you like it, and can't otherwise find a good working copy, I'll upload my personal purchased one from back in the day. I used it quite a bit a long time ago to make the various websites for a University Student Union that were quite elaborate, for the time... Its claim to fame, versus other web building apps, was interactivity, using javascript and very early DOM and CSS...if I'm remembering correctly...so very good for making buttons and menus. It also had ties and worked with their other products like Flash and Director via "ShockWave". They used to send me "ShockWave" demo cds showing it and DreamWeaver off, I'd just toss like I did AOL ones. I've got some I should probably upload to MG if they aren't already on archive.org or elsewhere. ---- Yeah, pretty much EVERYTHING those days had a "save as HTML" option. Word DEFINITELY did, although woe to those who later attempted to modify the HTML it generated, to go beyond or expand on what it did! (I speak from painful experience).
Last Edit: February 01, 2025, 16:41 by lauland
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Lichen Software
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128 MB Posts: 252 
Reply #7 on: February 01, 2025, 17:28
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I was never a web developer, but I used Claris Home Page for our needs. This site, my wife's is still up a million years later. we just never got around to taking it down. Enjoy. www.gailmcqueen.com/index.html
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #8 on: February 01, 2025, 23:05
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Nice site. I found myself gravitating to the recipes. My wife makes butternut squash soup. I had never came across that and just assumed it was something peculiar to my wife. Small world I guess.
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan
Reply #9 on: February 02, 2025, 01:05
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Thanks Lichen Software. I love that site! See, this is a perfect website. That is how I wish all websites were. I regard that time when sites were like that as my Golden Age of the internet. They were intricate enough to be visually appealing, but were lightweight, snappy, and efficient. I also think the websites that were similar to that one had a simple elegance to them. Thank you for sharing that lovely site with us! I regard websites like that one as works of art. Have you saved it on the archive yet? And I remember ShockWave. To me, Flash will fondly always be Macromedia Flash. I didn't know MacroMedia wasn't the creator of Flash. But that was before I had even heard of the "information superhighway". Thanks lauland. I'm going to try DW2 first. I haven't messed with it yet, but I'll try it tonight. The only reason I use my Quicksilver to make my site is because it's right next to my gaming PC (Linux Mint), so it's convenient to browse the modern internet and then turn over to my G4. But I would like the option to use it on System 7, for the retro factor. I remember in the early 2000s when I started college, that M$ Word could save things for the internet. I didn't like doing it that way, though. I used FrontPage quite a lot back then. When I was in highschool and even in the early 2000s, I preferred to write pure HTML. I still have my HTML 4 or 5 book that I heavily referenced back then. But I eventually saw the value in using FrontPage.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #10 on: February 02, 2025, 01:50
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Lol, I can attest, butternut squash soup is a thing! I'm posting a little late · sometimes I'll start a longer post, get busy and end up posting info already covered, but here goes.. better late than never  I've built sites using BBedit Lite, BBEdit proper, I used both GoLive and Dreamweaver, but also (don't laugh) AOL's website creation tool: AOL also came out with an editor called AOLPress which doubles as a 68k web browser · Word '98 can save Word docs as HTML, which works pretty well, but it comes at a price: the code underneath's not pretty as you've noted) let's see, MS also had Frontpage which I played with a little and generally liked as well (that you also just noted) now, the Personal Edition of GoLive Cyberstudio does run on System 7.5.5 (PPC) versus the Pro Ed which requires Mac OS 8 (I imagine this is needed since no major software dev would leave out, in this case, Mac OS 7.6.1 users?) and similarly, Dreamweaver 2 runs on System 7.5.5 (PPC) and DW 3 similarly requires Mac OS 8.1 as well · and as Wove pointed out, on Mac OS X (PPC and Intel) iWeb is a fun WYSIWYG web editor, but you need OS X to play with that one (and full-disclosure, the code is not pretty underneath either, it just does the WYSIWYG really well) And as you've already experienced, some versions of Netscape, including Classilla, do work as HTML editors · these of course run on very low specs and are very elemental, so keep this in mind if you try them out, and sometimes, simpler ends up being all you need for a small website. I've also used Adobe's ImageReady to splice images and make sections of it clickable, which can have a real nice visual effect, especially now that the web runs faster than it used to under dial-up! ImageReady v2 comes included with Photoshop 5.5 · I know there's more I've tried and used (both on Windows and Mac) but let me stop here for now 
Last Edit: February 02, 2025, 01:51 by cballero
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan
Reply #11 on: February 02, 2025, 03:58
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Thanks cballero! I hadn't heard of GoLive or AOLPress. I honestly wouldn't mind the Netscape composer, but it doesn't save when you click the floppy icon. And no matter how many times I click the option indicating that the location of the background image is relative to the html document, it ALWAYS copies it to the same directory as the document, and uses it there. Generating HTML that's efficient and easy to read is a high value.
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Lichen Software
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128 MB Posts: 252
Reply #12 on: February 02, 2025, 21:08
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Thanks for the comments on the site. I had three aitea, this one, one for database development and one for cigar box box guitars. The other two were costing money to keep up. Homepage was pretty nice to use. It has been quite a while since I used it.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #13 on: February 02, 2025, 23:36
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@Lichen Software: I love her site as well! I like how clean it is with its light colors your other two sites sound really cool too! what were the names of those when you had them up?@ShinobiKenobi: I'm sure you'll land an editor or two that ticks off the major boxes, and knowing coding definitely helps when using WYSIWYG-based editors since pretty much all of them give you options to add and tweak code as well!
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #14 on: February 03, 2025, 12:26
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Quote from: Lichen Software I was never a web developer, but I used Claris Home Page for our needs. This site, my wife's is still up a million years later. we just never got around to taking it down. Enjoy. I'd like to echo what others wrote - great site, dense information, light-weight and visually appealing! That's what the web should be like! Please keep it up for as long as possible - I actually submitted the URL to wiby.org just now. Wiby is a search engine specifically for finding such personal non-bloated websites. Whenever I run into such a nice website, I submit it to wiby. One day it may become a viable alternative ... I think the biggest website in size and popularity that used Claris Home Page extensively was lowendmac.com (https only :-( ). It's original founder, Dan Knight, used Home Page for nearly two decades to publish all articles - we're talking thousands of pages! A real testament to the capabilities of Home Page. Unfortunately, it was moved to Wordpress some years ago and with it came all the bloat and slowness ... Quote from: Lauland Yeah, pretty much EVERYTHING those days had a "save as HTML" option. Word DEFINITELY did, although woe to those who later attempted to modify the HTML it generated, to go beyond or expand on what it did! (I speak from painful experience). Oh, painful memories here too! CEO calling me for help with a html document he put on the intranet. "This part ain't displaying right. Please fix it, you can do this probably in seconds". Well, I opened the document and ... it was Word's work. Terrible terrible terrible. That day, I really deserved my paycheck ... In the end, one needs to understand that no matter what software you use, you always end up with less optimal code. Some are more "messy" than others. Writing by hand is the best, but if you want a software, it's a good idea to use just simple HTML and image maps, perhaps. Simply to keep the site snappy.
Last Edit: February 03, 2025, 12:28 by Bolkonskij
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