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cballero
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on: November 04, 2024, 19:08
So I literally like, just stumbled upon something called NetaTalk?  I saw just a few posts of it in recent time, but it seems to be a really tricked-out AFP server? Whoa! And it's open source? Why haven't we talked more about this; is it just too out of scope for the S7T forum? I'm trying to wrap my head around it, especially the fact that this is: 1) Focused on compatibility across the board, including Classic AFP 1.x-2.x 2) Opensource and actively updated to work with all versions of AFP 3) A real way to bridge Apple and Apple-compatible networkable tools and apps I don't know but that's super exciting (unless this networking software's just not that good?) am I missing something? maybe everyone was aware and I was just out of the loop? But wouldn't it be good to have some documentation on it here, being that it's so.. mac OS 7 compatible? Plus, it may just be a real contender for my Classic Mac project too; am I right? 
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wove
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Reply #1 on: November 04, 2024, 19:52
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NetaTalk is still around. I do not think it is still an actively maintained project and for many linux distros, you need to compile it for it is no longer a maintained package. Apple still keeps afp as part of the OS. My AirPort Timecapsule uses it to communicate with my Macs running OS X at least I have had no success in getting it to work with OS 9. Overall I have had very little success in trying to get NetaTalk working on Linux. That of course could just be me as my networking skills stop at plug and play. OS 9 anyway has decent luck connecting to webdav servers. There use to be a nice tutorial on setting up a webdav server to a a local replacement for Apple's dotMac services. NextCloud which can be setup on a Raspberry Pi is built on webdav and in OS X you can connect to it via Mail, Calendar, and Contacts. It should work on OS 9 as well, but you would need to setup it up without encryption, which is not a good way to setup a server on any network device that has a connection to the internet.
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cballero
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Reply #2 on: November 04, 2024, 20:22
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Gotcha! Aw man, it sounds like it may just be a tad too geeky for us less techie then  I'd brought it up because I'd come across this thread on Think Different with an update posted just today and Netatalk's main website url:Netatalk 4.0 - Future-proofing AFP ∙ modern link retro-friendly link (attempt) ∙ IA Netatalk.io ∙ modern link retro-friendly link ∙ IA
Last Edit: November 04, 2024, 21:07 by cballero
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nulleric
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Reply #3 on: November 04, 2024, 20:25
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Right, netatalk is very actively maintained! If you're handy enough to run a docker container you can ignore all those complex configuration and have a netatalk server that serves files to a Plus all the way to macOS 15 - also Resource Forks work across it as well so you can unstuff on your M4 MacBookPro - copy it to netatalk - copy it to your Mac Plus and everything will work. If you have a piscsi the installer has an option to set up netatalk as well.
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cballero
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Reply #4 on: November 04, 2024, 20:41
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Whoa! Now that is indeed cool, Nulleric!  So, what's the possibility of making (preferably secure?) IP web tunnels to connect a few old Macs together? I ask because I'd imagine this would be a (possibly logical?) use case for Netatalk? This is where I am stuck at now: trying to virtually network some Macs to a virtual LAN of some kind, and this looks like a really enticing (perhaps added?) option right now.. I also do dabble on the Linux side of things a little, and both the pi and blue SCSI boxes are quite appealing options, too, especially if they can do some kind of remote networking that's not way too involved to configure! (think along the lines of maybe a straightforward YT vid on the subject level of difficulty..) I even have a Pi 3 or two lying around just waiting to be fired-up as well, come to think of it
Last Edit: November 04, 2024, 20:48 by cballero
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nulleric
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Reply #5 on: November 04, 2024, 20:55
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It's actively happening now! It's called #GlobalTalk - uses Apple Internet Router to route your localtalk network to anyone in the world who is also on GlobalTalk. It is most active during March-in-tosh (in March) - but there's tons of guides there to get setup with real hardware, or emulators, or whatever you like. I had my printer on it and got random prints through march from random mac users around the world. I'll have something new this year (but I'll keep that to myself till around march  Modern link: https://tinkerdifferent.com/threads/globaltalk-global-appletalk-network-for-marchintosh-2024-and-beyond.3392/ Also it's not secure by modern standards (and wont be) - just do it for fun - don't file your taxes over it.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #6 on: November 04, 2024, 21:20
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I hear that! I remember looking at the GlobalTalk project; I was curious how it all worked, but I'd assumed it was all focused on just printing, but duh, the chooser selects both printers and shared volumes, right? I even joined Mastodon a good while back, but I wasn't sure if there were even any self-hosted setup instructions for it (I can be such a newbie for stuff sometimes; makes me wonder how I was able to do so much cool stuff on my Macs over the years.. granted, it was mostly fooling around with the OS and then there was ResEdit, the ultimate messing around tool!  )Going to the link you posted, I now see that their online sign-up guide's been simplified a good bit now, which is awesome! There's also a good bit of talk on setting everything up, which should also help me out; the last step would be to emulate this and perhaps do a separate setup for my own project, which shouldn't entail anything that needs much security, if any anyway Thanks for that link, Nulleric!
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wove
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Reply #7 on: November 05, 2024, 17:31
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I got to digging deeper into Netatalk. Here is a link to directions to install Netatalk on newer Intel or Silicon Macs. https://netatalk.io/docs/Installing-Netatalk-on-macOS Newer browser needed. I am going to have to dig into the TimeCapsule specs to figure out exactly how it works. Looking in my OS X finder I see the shared disks are listed as a "Sharepoint" which I think is smb terminology. Upon further checking I found that Netatalk can be installed on newer Intel MacOS X via MacPorts. https://ports.macports.org/port/netatalk/details/ Newer browser of course and probably only useful if you are running OS X. The current state of the port runs on systems all the way back to Snow Leopard.
Last Edit: November 06, 2024, 12:46 by Knezzen
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