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cballero
1024 MB  Posts: 1187 System 7, today and forever |
Reply #15 on: November 28, 2024, 20:50
I second going with System 7.1.x or just jump to 7.6.1 on the IIci  and most things can be added to 7.1 that came after it  however, Mac OS 8.1 will feel slower on a IIci
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB  Posts: 2040 
Reply #16 on: November 29, 2024, 11:09
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LOL @wove What's wrong with a Kraftfahrzeughaftpflichtversicherung? Btw, it's all easy to top ... Donaudampfschiffahrtskapitänsmützenfeder ("the feather on the hat of a ship's captain going on the Danube river"). Oh I love how precise and flexible my mother tongue is! @Knezzen you don't do komposita (compounds) in Swedish, do you? Coming back to topic :-) ... I get the impression of 7.5 being crashy too on my PPC. There are some applications that will run fine and for hours on end with no problem like I had Wallops and MacLynx yesterday. I remember there were issues with lockup during file copying during that era, but I don't remember any more details. I'll try our old favorite 7.6.1 on it and report back. @cballero yes! But take not, it's not the IIci we're talking here but the 7500/100 I had picked up earlier this year.
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 611 Village idiot
Reply #17 on: November 29, 2024, 12:55
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Quote from: Bolkonskij @Knezzen you don't do komposita (compounds) in Swedish, do you? Of course we do. It's the only correct way of doing things. One thing = one word. Motorfordonsansvarsförsäkring
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1187 System 7, today and forever
Reply #18 on: November 29, 2024, 17:59
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That's so Latiny, how nice! I only took one year of it in school, so we never got that far into the language 
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 971 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #19 on: November 30, 2024, 10:22
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@Bolkonskij - I prefer "Lohnsteuereinkommenserklärung" (W2) or "Einachsiger Dreiseitenkipper" (wheelbarrow) and even better "Raumübergreifendes Großgrün" (a tree). These are all legally binding definitions in the language of our tribal overlords, aka "Bürokraten@rsche". So, to all: Please beware that deviating from the same might get you misunderstood or rejected by our beloved bureaucracy. A fate worse than getting dumped by your girl friend.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1367
Reply #20 on: November 30, 2024, 13:23
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I apologize for my tongue in cheek remark. I did think it was sort of funny, but I did not intend to move the topic so far off course. Apple seemed to get lost in moving on from System 7.1. Many new and useful features were introduced, but there was a big cost in stability. It would be interesting to see what they had to do to keep the changes and bring stability. Overall Apple managed to maintain that feature set and stability going forward. In my view System 7.5.x was Apple's last system last OS that had such a struggle.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2040
Reply #21 on: December 04, 2024, 15:09
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wove, what you describe is *exactly* what I have been experiencing the past week or so when setting up my 7500. 7.5.x brought a lot of instability with it and lots of unexplainable errors (error #10, I curse you!). I've now installed 7.6.1 on the 7500/100 and it now runs muuuch more stable and nice. I was really open to use 7.5.5 on my PowerPC Mac but that experience brought me back to our old buddy 7.6.1. So case closed, I've got the 7500 back. It's recapped, it's running nicely now and is ready for the next decade or so :-) Btw, this post was posted directly from the 7500 (nick: "Diane")
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1367
Reply #22 on: December 04, 2024, 16:55
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The 7500 was a real work horse in the PPC line up. A 7500 is a very nice machine and solid working 7500 is a delight. Nice to hear and see that you are getting good use of the refurbished machine.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2040
Reply #23 on: March 16, 2026, 16:15
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Just posting an update here ... The 7500 is alive and well. I had to put it into storage for a year or so due to space constraints on my desk. It is now chugging along nicely next to my IIci. Really, if you come from a IIci, you're amazed about the speed gain when using e.g. iCab 2.9.9 on the internet with this 100 Mhz beige power monster ;-) I remember I had some stability issues with 7.6.1 too before putting it into storage. Yesterday, I had it running for 6+ hours yet without a single crash. And I did everything from browsing to gaming. I'm getting a hunch that the crashing happens a lot more when running multiple apps at once which require OT / networking. Like streaming web radio while being on Hotline and browsing with Netscape. RAM isn't a constraint here. It feels more like the system gets unstable. If not online, it will run for hours on end with no issues. Perhaps we have to face that our beloved 7.6 is superb if used like back in the 90s, but crashier when used like a 2020 machine. (posted from the 7500/100 )
Last Edit: March 16, 2026, 16:24 by Bolkonskij
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 375 System 7 fan
Reply #24 on: March 17, 2026, 01:09
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I never had a computer until I graduated high school in 2000, and then it was a 1995 Windows 95 PC. I've always been curious how people used their Macs back in the '90s. Did you guys usually run multiple apps back then? I usually have 2 or maybe 3 apps running simultaneously on my 7200. Btw, I love the Outrigger form factor. They had Macs with that case in my school back then. Also, how much RAM do you have in it, and what capacity hard drive(s)?
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2040
Reply #25 on: March 20, 2026, 09:08
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I think the way we used our machines was quite different. For once, you didn't spend as much time in front of them. Well, unless you were a teen like Bolkonskij and into games that'd make you completely forget all around you. Yes, I admit to that :-) But the typical use case in the 90s was more like "Oh, I have to write this letter". So you go to the Mac. You boot it up. Write the letter and print it. Perhaps play a round of Shanghai of Diamonds after that. Then shut down the Mac after 60 minutes of use and go on with your life, hanging out with friends at the mall (or whereever), ride your bike to the library etc. If you had internet access via modem, which was rare and expensive, you'd go online, download your e-mail (but not read it, to save precious online minutes!) and then visit two or three websites before going offline again, reading your e-mails, answering them and perhaps going online again briefly to send them. You were charged by the minute of online usage, so you thought carefully about what to do. There weren't any social networks or video platforms that would suck you in for hours on end with their clever algorithms and "doom scrolling". The older I get, the more I think that this was perhaps in many regards not so bad after all. What about others? How did your typical 80's and 90's computer usages look like? Much like mine?
Last Edit: March 20, 2026, 09:12 by Bolkonskij
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 375 System 7 fan
Reply #26 on: March 23, 2026, 22:23
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So you have 3 partitions each of 2 GB? And do you still have 64 MB of RAM? I didn't get internet until around 2001, which of course was dial-up. Luckily for us, we were only charged by the month, flat fee. The number we dialed up to was a local number, so we were never charged extra, unless I dialed a long-distance BBS. Back in school, I was on the internet with the Macs as much as possible, looking up stuff for my Nintendo 64 games usually.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2040
Reply #27 on: March 24, 2026, 12:39
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Yes, three partitions of 2 GB size, which is well enough for my needs :-) but I run on 32 MB of RAM, the ones I bought from SiliconInsider some years ago. Still working very well! I find 32 MB is perfect, never really running out of RAM on 7.1. iCab is probably the most memory intensive application I use and I have it assigned about half of that RAM, so I could still run e.g. Wallops for instant messaging and have Apple Works open in the background ... You were lucky to have a local dial-up service that'd only charge you a flat rate. Those older members here may remember the times when not only you'd pay your phone line providers money, but also the online service (e.g. Compuserve, AOL, Genie etc.). Sometimes by the minute as well. It's crazy to think how "cheap" things have gotten since the 1980's / early 90's.
Last Edit: March 24, 2026, 12:41 by Bolkonskij
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 971 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #28 on: March 25, 2026, 16:49
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Quote from: Bolkonskij I find 32 MB is perfect, never really running out of RAM on 7.1Can't imagine running with less than 1GB of RAM. :O
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1187 System 7, today and forever
Reply #29 on: March 25, 2026, 17:08
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Lol, well, on using 32 MB vs 1 GB of RAM: it's a well-known fact that you perpetually operate well above the Mac OS speed limit, specifically in emulation, 68040!
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