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Mk.558
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on: October 10, 2024, 06:32
I'm testing out Apple IP Gateway and information is very sparse. It doesn't work at all unless I seed outside the range of my router. i.e. 192.168.0.2 -> 192.168.0.200 for the router, then 192.168.0.201 -> 192.168.0.253 for IP Gateway. Does anybody else have this thing? Normally for MacIP gateways you always have to start a new subnet and everything goes through the gateway machine. As part of testing, I found out that Mosaic 2.0.1 stopped loading webpages. Any kind. Even http://info.cern.ch goes nowhere, even on my Mac mini G4 with 9.2.2. Other browsers -- works fine. It appears I may have some more work to update: anybody else have this issue? |
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB  Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #1 on: October 12, 2024, 12:08
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It's been a quite a while (15 years?) since I tinkered with this. I'll have a look and see if I can help you out 
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Mk.558
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4 MB Posts: 7
Reply #2 on: October 12, 2024, 18:36
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I got IP Gateway figured out, but Mosaic still has the door open. It doesn't connect to any site or render it. If it does connect, it ... will do something like reply with Error 400 or "Server status OK".
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #3 on: October 13, 2024, 05:33
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Can you try connecting to this site: http://www.pianofab.com/cj.html It's for a site that has an old Mac software called "ChunkJoiner 2.2", and it's still hosted on that page. I don't have a problem with Mosaic v2.0.1 reaching the ChunkJoiner page. In the screenshot there are a couple of place holders for pictures, which are missing. They aren't available and are missing in modern browsers too (not Mosaic's fault). I had searched for a rare still active site not using CSS or JavaScript - next to impossible, but the ChunkJoiner page was available and meets those lack of modern features. Many of the links located at the top of the ChunkJoiner page work with Mosaic, too. Noting that Mosaic cannot connect to that info.cern.ch link you posted above, at all. Despite it seemingly being a very basic web page, and more modern browsers can connect to it. http://frogfind.com/ works OK with Mosaic, and the search function gets a lot of hits. Attempting to go to any link it finds however, will likely fail. Almost no site works with Mosaic... it's crazy that 1 or 2 sites will still allow it to load a page.
Last Edit: October 13, 2024, 07:42 by MTT
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Mk.558
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4 MB Posts: 7
Reply #4 on: October 14, 2024, 01:54
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Thank you for the response. Both websites you listed there work for me too. I'll put up a mention of compatiblity issues with 2.0.1 being just too old to work. In the next update, I'll have some basic pages lifted from the cellar of the internet, which can be used, or could be used to test browser functionality. I find it odd because even my website is quite simple HTML wise but it doesn't work either.
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daptdore
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4 MB Posts: 6 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #5 on: October 20, 2024, 13:05
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I have not tried Mosaic myself, but based on when it was released, my guess is that it does not send an HTTP Host: header when making a request. If so, it means that virtual-hosted sites or sites running a server that depends on the Host: header will not work. (If Mosaic supported using proxies, that might get around this issue, but I would guess it does not have proxy support either.)
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #6 on: October 21, 2024, 00:10
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@daptore: That is such a good suggestion. Mosaic v2.0.1 does have proxy support, and that is exactly what was needed to get a bit more life out this ancient bit of kit. Set in the Preferences, under Gates -> Use Cern Proxy Service I was able then to access the info.cern.ch pages (not all but certainly some) I could even access and read System 7 Today Obviously https sites won't be an option, but this does open up access to some sites that are still old browser friendly. Thank you, daptore.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #7 on: October 21, 2024, 18:41
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Interesting tests and good call @daptdore about the HTTP Host: header. Where does that leave us in practical terms? Why use Mosaic other than for the fun of experimenting? IIRC, it doesn't support System 6 (which would have been very cool!) and when it comes to low-end System 7, I think MacLynx still beats it both in terms of footprint and features (though it doesn't do embedded pictures!) Can anyone think of a reason to actually keep it on your machine?
Last Edit: October 22, 2024, 17:23 by Bolkonskij
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #8 on: October 25, 2024, 08:02
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Reasons for keeping Mosaic around? No less than keeping any other early to mid 90's HTML software I guess. Nothing from that period is going to help you do your online banking. It and others from that era are just good examples of what the web was like at that time. Basically, browsing and perhaps downloading a file or two over dial-up. I guess that you can use Mosaic (and other similar browsers) to read local web pages easily enough, but to get some kind of feeling for what it was actually like, it's great to find some sites that can still be accessed externally. If it's good for anything, well, who knows. It's just good enough to get something from it, if you can. But for daily use, nope. Mosaic 2 is blindingly fast when it finds a site that will load, I'll give it that. Without any ability to be swamped by JavaScript, I'm not too surprised. No page loading spinning svg's here  Anyway, Mosaic 2 is far too old for S7T, which requires a more modern (than Mosaic) browser to fully access all of S7T's features. Interesting if you're curious enough to take a look at the web's primitive beginnings in practice. Keeping in mind that Mosaic was basically doomed after Mosaic's team leader left NCSA to form what was to become Netscape CC.
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Mk.558
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4 MB Posts: 7
Reply #9 on: November 08, 2024, 06:30
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Did you have some special proxy set up? I put in http://cern.ch at port 80, as I was unable to find anything concerning a HTTP proxy at CERN. As for why? Well Mosaic 2.0.1 is faster than Netscape!
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #10 on: November 08, 2024, 12:57
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Quote "Preferences, under Gates -> Use Cern Proxy Service"The term "Use Cern Proxy Service" in the preferences isn't very intuitive. I think it really means, "use any proxy service here that works for you." (which is what I did) Perhaps back in the early 1990's there weren't so many folks using the web and proxy servers were rare, so they were inviting you to use theirs, perhaps? I don't know and am just guessing. Anyway, if you know of a proxy server that you can use, try that, because Cern is likely not an option here, anymore. With Mosaic I wasn't able to connect to the link you gave in your last post, above. However, I have no problem with getting into a lot of the old Cern web pages via your first link at the top of the page. There's a lot of interesting info in there regarding the WWW, historical and general. With several pages bouncing off TheProject.html and others. Of course, you don't need to use Mosaic just to view these pages...
Last Edit: November 08, 2024, 13:03 by MTT
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Mk.558
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4 MB Posts: 7
Reply #11 on: November 09, 2024, 07:15
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Appreciate the response. Ugh...any suggestions for a compatible proxy?
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #12 on: November 09, 2024, 22:33
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Not really. The service I have access to is work related, private and not setup or maintained by me. Throwing "web proxy server" into a search engine will get a lot of hits, from free to paid-for options. Also ask for help in the Mac Garden. There are a lot of knowledgeable folks there who may not (yet) visit S7T and may be able to offer advice.
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