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snes1423
256 MB  Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina 
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on: May 31, 2024, 01:03
so under Jaguar opera 9.63 is the only browser to support SSL V3 among other things saw there was versions going back to 1995 maybe even for 68k machines yet alone x86/ppc and maybe it would be a good mix of speed and compatibility maybe even out-competing IE/Netscape under system 7?!? |
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #1 on: May 31, 2024, 03:03
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I used Opera for a while and I rather liked it. Version 2 was the first MacOS release. Versions 2 through 4 attempted to have a UI matching the platform they ran on. With later versions Opera unified the UI for all platforms and I quit having any interest in it. (Opera 5 may have still had a Mac UI I do not really recall.) I remember it being fairly snappy and pretty stable, but that is about all I remember. Personally I used Cyberdog up through OS X 10.4, then switched to Safari with OS X 10.5 and have stuck with Safari since then.
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #2 on: June 01, 2024, 07:35
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I just tried the most recent version 5 of Opera I could find that can run in System 7.x (Opera 5.0b5.465.PPC), downloaded from the MG. It runs pretty snappily, but clearly has issues. For starters, I was unable to log in to S7T with it (about 5 minutes ago). I haven't used Opera in years, probably when v5 was new. It's kind of coming back to me. This version was "trial/adware", it gives you a 30 days trial and then it will put up advertising banners, until I assume, when you pay a registration fee to unlock it. I was unable to find any registration codes for it in the usual places. How these old versions of Opera will be able to run ads, I don't know. In the preferences, you can configure the types of ads that you would "like" to see  It doesn't support tabbed browsing, so that makes it not interesting enough to explore further. For now, it's only iCab 2.9.9 in System 7x for me - at least iCab supports tabs and can log in to S7T, like with this post 
Last Edit: June 01, 2024, 08:31 by MTT
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB  Posts: 2023
Reply #3 on: June 02, 2024, 11:11
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Opera has always been quite slow, even on a G3 upgraded Power Mac. And it's very crashy on System 7. I haven't tried older versions on my IIci yet, don't know if they're even FAT apps. A quick search on the Garden seems to confirm that we only have versions 5 and up of Opera there, so this will likely take a little bit of digging. Might be interesting to dig up older versions, opening up an Opera thread here on S7T and test / discuss our findings 
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #4 on: June 02, 2024, 18:40
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Not that it's relevant to this discussion (finding a decent browser for System 7), but wanted to make sure you guys knew this: Opera used to have its own engine, but switched to Chromium in 2013...pretty much what Microsoft did with Edge... I think these days FireFox may be the only modern browser that is NOT based on WebKit. So not a lot of real choice out there these days, other than the UI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_(web_browser)
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #5 on: June 02, 2024, 21:11
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At the point of time for Opera on Classic MacOS the big bottle neck on speed was often the speed of the internet connection. Here in the great rural upper midwest of the US it was the later part of the 2000s before we had anything faster than a 56K modem. So at least in my neck of the woods the rendering speed of the browser was the least of the problems. Dan was also from the upper midwest, but not as rural as my area. So much of the speed and simplicity of this site comes because of an awareness that to be fast it also had to be quick to download. I recall Dan saying at one point he was always trying to ensure of that no element of the site would exceed 4k. So of you are really shooting for the full retro vibe, you need to be aware that download a song on Napster was going to take you over a half hour. Most of the content on Macintosh Garden, would be too big to even think of downloading. At least that is the way it was and mostly still is in the area where I live.
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snes1423
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256 MB Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina
Reply #6 on: June 03, 2024, 16:53
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When we lived in the detroit-area up until 2011 according to Detroit 4 News less than 20% of michiganders had wifi only 60% had modern for the time broadband (or ethernet) we had a landline thus a ISDN Juno Dial-up connection and even a 1980-something rotary phone with a circular mechanism to dial a number something i had to learn to use when i was younger mostly due to the fact that beacuse we lived in a private neighborhood in the city of sterling heights at the time offered free landline installations to try to modernize detroit's infrastructure along with other detroit area city's and it was paid for by the state under governor Granholm yes our energy secretary these day's in the USA was our governor between 2002-2010 and at the time there was a lot of infrastruture modernization that needed to happen in our state especially in poor rural area's that make up 80% or more of our state it only got really good after 2020 beacuse of the need for Zoom/Skype/Teams and such
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Neal_SE30
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256 MB Posts: 401 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #7 on: June 08, 2024, 17:32
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I used opera on my Nintendo DS light back in the early 2000s. I think the ds lite was around 67mhz and it worked ok back in the day, i don't own it anymore but I imagine it would be rather slow on the modern web. I also used opera in late 2009 on my MacMini duo core and quite liked it. Not tried it in years though and never on an older Mac my colour classic was never online, I was a broke student when i owned that and let’s be honest the web was pretty basic in 1994. Would like to try the browser once I fix the av board. Not really found a good browser for the se/30.
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