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wove 1024 MB Posts: 1363	on: March 30, 2024, 14:16 I have never had much luck creating CDs/DVDs. But I have gotten very good at creating coasters. I used Toast Titanium to create an installer DVD for Tiger. Toast said it was a successful burn and mounting the DVD and looking at its contents, it appears to be a correct and functional installer. However it will not boot the machine it is designed to boot. I looked at the DVD using OS X's Disk Utility, which reports it is fine. Closer inspection however shows that "This volume is not bootable." And that is correct it is indeed not bootable. Am I missing something in Toast to make a disk bootable? I know when formatting a hard drive for Linux it is necessary to ensure that you create at least one bootable partition. I am not aware that a DVD has to be made bootable. The images I am working with are from the internet archive and are the install media for the late 2006 MacBookPro. The images themselves mount fine and check out as being OK. I could use a little guidance in creating a bootable DVD.

MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #1 on: April 01, 2024, 02:30 Hi wove, You didn't mention the Toast version. I find Toast moves its menus around, version to version quite a bit since between v4 - v12. Basically though, it is ultra important with OS X bootable media, that the master copy image remains locked at all times. And if you mount an OS X install CD/DVD unlocked, the Mac Finder will write to that mounted image, imprinting unwanted date and time stamps, .DS_Store files, and other invisible files. This tends to make an OS X install CD/DVD unusable and it will no longer be able to boot. So, if this has happened with the boot media that you are using, you will need to start over, fresh, with an unmodified and locked copy of the master image. The uploader of that image may have also mounted the image unlocked, to see if it mounted OK before uploading. If he has done that, then you will need to find another master image source, as that one will likely only create coasters. So do check the modified date stamps when getting info on (locked) mounted install media. If the modified date time stamps are not close to before when that item shipped and are more recent than when it was last pressed before shipping, then there's a good chance that the master copy was mounted unlocked before you got it and therefore, compromised. For example, I was looking to see if the MG had any suitable Tiger Intel discs, and I thought I had found the goldmine here: "Mac OSX Tiger 10.4.8 for Early Intel 3A118" But on examination of the enclosed media I discovered that both downloads on that page were Finder modified in June 2023, before they were added to that page. I would not trust these disk images and recommend that unless they are replaced with unmodified master copies, that they are not downloaded as is. I have left a note there hoping the uploader will be able to fix that page. Now onto the burning question... Try using the Disk Utility to burn the image. * Start up Disk Utility. * Drag the unmounted (and locked) image file into the lower left portion of the Disk Utility window. * The name of the image will appear in the left frame of the window below any visible listed names, such as the startup disk and other drive names. * Click to select the name of the unmounted image in the Disk Utility window. * Click "Burn" and insert your blank media when requested. * Hopefully, when done this will produce a bootable install disk. Diverging from burning to CD/DVD media. I now use SD cards and install the OS via USB these days (if I don't possess hard copies), as dual layer DVD blank media has become rare and quite expensive. Especially when coasters happen. Why SD? because they are lockable. I also use dd via the Terminal to write those images to the SD cards. They work well. Some Mac models will not boot up on USB and require using Open Firmware to enable, but for those that can boot up over USB, it's not much different than if they were CD/DVD media.
Last Edit: April 01, 2024, 02:43 by MTT
wove 1024 MB Posts: 1363	Reply #2 on: April 01, 2024, 13:36 Thank you @MTT for you advice. I do enjoy reading your thorough and detailed breakdown of troubles and in depth explanations and solutions. I have three machines with good working dual layer burners. My main machine for burning is a PM G5 running Leopard. I also use a 2010 17” MBP running El Capitan, and a Lenovo AIO running Debian Buster. On the Apple hardware I run the latest version of Toast that works and sometimes use Disco. On Linux I burn using K3B. The burning problems with the Tiger images are the same problems I had burning the OS9 image I have for the G4 Mac mini. I had assumed that K3B on Linux would not encounter any of the problems, since Linux is unable to mount or open the images and avioid any problemss with “opening in Finder” corrupting the image. However that was not the case. The Burn on Linux created a disk exactly like the disks created on the Macs. It maybe I just have downloaded pre-corrupted images. I also tried using the restore function in Disk Utility to create a USB stick, but that did not boot the computer. I have been under impressions that all of the Intel Macs will boot from USB and just the G4/G5 machines had a harder time booting from USB. The G4 mini boots fine from a proper USB, the G5 needs some firmware commands to boot. This weekend I found an “accessory kit” that came with the 2006 MBP and I bought it. It includes the DVDs, a remote, stickers and all the paperwork. I am hoping that arrives in good shape and works for me. I looked at the DVD you listed on the Garden. I am not sure what that is for. The original Intel MacBook Pros shipped with CoreDuo processors and shipped with Tiger 4.6, later in the Fall Apple switched them over to Core2Duos and the OS was bumped up to 4.8. The MBP models released in 2007 were all Core2Duo machines and shipped with Tiger 10.4.10. I tried to find which Mac used AHT3118 and I could not find it.

MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #3 on: April 02, 2024, 07:31 Hi wove. I sounds as though you won't be needing a disk image for this after all. That accessory kit sounds just the thing you need. Who needs to fluff around destroying DVD blanks when you can get the real thing! That is good news. WRT to AHT 3A118, that's the code number of the Hardware test software, which I think will be in a separate partition on that DVD. I suppose he could have used 2Z691-5967-A instead (or nothing at all), as that would probably make more sense. There are two copies of this install DVD, up at the Web Archive. This one: 2Z691-5967-A which is an International English release. And 691-5967-A which will be the US English release. There's negligible difference between either, The IE will default to DD/MM/YYYY date formats and the US will default to MM/DD/YYYY date formats, and that's about it, and both can be changed to suit.

wove 1024 MB Posts: 1363	Reply #4 on: April 02, 2024, 13:49 I do not think I have ever kept the original OS on a computer, but I delight in seeing what the machine was like if you did get it new. If this set is indeed the right set, then I will have the original media for all my machines. I come across sets from time to time, I do not think people tend to keep that stuff. The only problem I run into is often the seller has no idea on what they are specifically for, so I end up with a set I think is for one thing and it turns out to be for something else. I like Lion on the 17" 2006 MBP. The skumorphiness tickles my fancy. Plus it is the oldest and first OS that works with iCloud, so my calendar, contacts, etc work with it. I am most interested in the remote. I have never had a remote for a computer. I really have no idea how a remote would be useful, but I will have one (maybe) to see what it is for. Many years ago I used a gigabit ethernet PowerMac with an ATI capture card to turn VHS home video into DVDs for people. I do not have a lot of dual layer media, but I have a lot of blank DVD and CD media. I have certainly created many coasters over the years, but the frustration with successfully burning this installer media is vexing.

MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #5 on: April 06, 2024, 01:37 Hello wove, I hope your 2006 MBP accessory kit has by now arrived in good order, and has everything you need for a painless restore of the original software. Should it not go to plan, both of the 2Z691-5967-A IE* copies linked above, appear to be good working images. I've downloaded and "burned" the ISO copy to an SD card to test, and the .dmg copy to a USB stick. Both start up and boot up OK to my Intel Mac mini dual core (the mini is roughly the same vintage as your MBP). Of course it won't allow installing the OS because it wants a MBP, but I can use Disk Utility and other software on the booted-up image no problem. *Because of the title of the .dmg on the 2nd linked page, I had assumed it to be a US distribution. But reading the description in that page, I now see that it's actually another copy of the 2Z691-5967-A distribution, and apart from their formatted differences, both are from the same DVD master copy. Both linked images were pressed February 2007, all software on-board is from 2006 and earlier, so I would think that the image is for the late 2006 model, from an early 2007 manufacture of that model. Even though the first "late 2006 MBP" shipped with an earlier Mac OS X, these images would be still suitable for this MBP and may contain bug fixes made since it's initial release. According to everymac.com, the late 2006 MBP 17" 1st shipped October 2006 and ended production June, 2007. To be superseded by the Mid 2007 MBP, in June of that year (https link). With regards to writing images to USB, when not wanting to burn coaster-prone expensive dual-layer DVD media, here's a YouTube walk-thru for installing a Mac OS and booting from a USB stick (https link). The person presenting this is installing Leopard 10.5 in his video but the methods used will be pretty much the same for any suitable Mac OS X. It's really intended for installing OS X to a MB that isn't capable of booting up to USB and deals with using Open Firmware to achieve the installation. For Mac's that can boot up on USB (with Option key held down), only the method of getting the OS X image onto a USB stick, used in the beginning of video will be of use here. The rest of the video is a how to, using Open Firmware. Anyway, if you can put up with shaky handheld camera work and up/down audio levels, the video is still worth a look.

wove 1024 MB Posts: 1363	Reply #6 on: April 06, 2024, 02:57 The accessory kit and I was pretty excited. The battery in the Apple Remote still holds a charge. The paper manual is colorful and fun to look through. The manual certainly appears to be for the computer I own. However I can not say the same for the Install disks that came in the kit. The disks are pristine and do not look like they were ever used or taken out of the pack, finger prints. Of course they do not start up the machine. They do start and after selecting my language, I am greeted with a box informing me that. "This disk can not be used on this hardware." Using MacTracker and the AHT version it appears the disks are for a late 2007 Macbook Pro. I gather my 2006 MBP Accessory Kit is just a composite of what the seller had laying around. The paper manual has a copyright of 2006, while the disks are copyright 2007. I will see about the images you linked to and watch the youtube video you referenced to see if I have better luck. I should probably quit while I am ahead, but I am irritated enough by this whole boondoggle to really want to pursue it to fruition.

MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #7 on: April 06, 2024, 04:29 That's not so good then. Pity. I've been exploring the installer scripts of those DVD images, and the models they can install to are: 'iMac5,1', 'iMac5,2', 'iMac6,1', 'MacPro1,1', 'MacBookPro2,1', 'MacBookPro2,2', and 'MacBook2,1' If your MBP has one of those names in its System info, then you should be good to go. I recommend the .dmg from the above 2nd download link (smaller download), it writes to a USB stick OK using Disk Utility to restore the image, like in video. While looking through the DVD images installer scripts, I did notice that one failure point could be if an OS installed on the drive that you boot up to, was newer than the installer's OS, then it would not permit the install to take place. Could that have any bearing on your DVD install disc's refusal to proceed? Is it an Intel Tiger disc, even? You could find out what models it installs to, by reviewing the DVD installer script. The Path to the install script file is: Mac OS X Install Disc 1/System/Installation/Packages/OSInstall.mkpg (Show Package Contents)/Contents/OSInstall.dist Open the file OSInstall.dist in a plain text editor like BBEdit or similar. Search for the string "var hwbeSupportedMachines" without the quotemarks. You should see names similar to those above, under this string. Anyway, good luck with getting there.
Last Edit: April 06, 2024, 05:38 by MTT
wove 1024 MB Posts: 1363	Reply #8 on: April 06, 2024, 16:50 Thank you MTT. I used the US English dmg and it restored to a flash drive without any problems. The 2006 MBP will boot from USB by holding down the "Option" key on startup. You were correct as well that the Tiger installer will not work to downgrade a newer OS. To get the Tiger installer to work it is necessary to have a freshly formatted hard drive to install to. I briefly held hope that I could use Disk 2 of the set I purchased to install the bundled software, but that did not work out. Always more work to do. I really want to get FrontRow working. What is the point to having a remote control if you have nothing installed to use it with. :0 Thanks again for the help and encouragement, you are a great asset to this forum and to users of Vintage Mac gear. If you ever get to Minnesota in the USA stop by and we can go have beer, my treat.

MTT 256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer	Reply #9 on: April 07, 2024, 04:24 Hey! A success story. Now that's what I like to hear That's excellent news, wove. I'm absolutely delighted to hear that you got somewhere with this. No more dual-layer DVD coasters for you from now on, I think. Install disc 2, a copy of this is at the Mac Garden and also archive.org. Both are toast images. Of the two, the archive.org copy is the cleanest. That is, that image has not been allowed to be mounted unlocked, onto a Mac OS desktop. Whereas the MG copy was Finder modified shortly before it was uploaded. I don't normally trust images that have been written to at a later date, but the uploader of that image is a trusted member of the MG with many uploads to the MG under his belt, and I'm sure that it would still be OK as it's not a boot disc. But, the archive.org copy hasn't been modified, so that's the one that I would download, if you are wanting to complete the set. Also not in the MG's favor. The MG's copy is zip compressed, saving only a few MB's in size, meaning it takes up 14 GB's of disk space just to get the image expanded. Whereas the archive.org copy is a raw uncompressed image requiring only the full 7.7 GB of disk space. However, looking at the install packages on Disc 2, I do not see any individual installer for Front Row on board. - The install packages of Disc 2 are located in a hidden folder requiring using Terminal to inspect: Here's a screenshot of Disc 2's installable content in Terminal's window. The full installable contents are listed in the lower part of that Terminal screen. Although, in the first install Disc 1, I do see a FrontRow.pkg installer listed. This time, in a hidden folder called ".packages" - To see these invisible items you need to mount the Disc 1 image, then cd into it via Terminal. Once inside, copy and paste the following, and tap Enter or Return: open System/Installation/Packages/.packages I don't know if this will be the full Front Row install package or if it will ask for Disc 2 to complete, but you may be able to install from any of the included packages in those hidden folders without need to go through the whole install process to get there. Reading the installation script for Front Row, it runs a "DetectRemoteControlFeature" in the script, if it detects this, then OK, else it fails to install, it also checks the OS version, if below 10.4.6, fails. According to Wikipedia, Front Row was dependent on iTunes and iPhoto being present, so perhaps you need to install iPhoto from Disc 2, first. Keep that beer cool - he says, having not been further than the east coast of Australia (ex-pat kiwi)
Last Edit: April 07, 2024, 04:57 by MTT
wove 1024 MB Posts: 1363	Reply #10 on: April 07, 2024, 14:15 From what I could tell looking at the list of what came with the machine and looking at what was installed with Disk One, Disk Two is simply iLife '06 packaged up so that it can only be used with this particular model. The Trial software, and Omni Outliner are installed with Disk One. Front Row is odd. After installing with Disk One, FrontRow does not show up in applications, nor does it turn up in a search. I came across Front Row by accident. I was wondering if the remote could be used to navigate iTunes (it can not). However if you push the "menu" button on the remote, FrontRow just pops up as sort of an overlay, much the same way that DashBoard just pops up. So I gather that at least initially Front Row could only be used/accessed if you have a remote.

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