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68040
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Reply #30 on: March 02, 2023, 12:19
I am an old fashioned male. If you got to keep the lights out and draw the shades close all day, just to get comfy with your lover, then its time to either change glasses or switch lovers. (pause for hysteria to drag herself on stage) Seriously,Mulberry version 2.0 was stable but couldn't access my Google accounts. Version 2.2.2 could access them all, but kept crashing on me with "Error 3" messages, even when I was just accessing the Preferences module. Maybe its just a B-II thing, but after all the pain it took me to set that b1tch up just right, the last thing I was willing to accept were unpredictable mood swings every other minute. If I wanted those I could have just stayed with my ex-. |
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Last Edit: March 02, 2023, 12:20 by 68040
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB  Posts: 2023
Reply #31 on: March 03, 2023, 08:49
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Well, if something doesn't live up to the expectation or some other software does stuff better for you, no reason not to move on :-) That said, maybe we could open up a Eudora thread? I've been intrigued to try it myself for many years now, given this was THE pro e-mail software of the 90's used by many newsletter creators and others doing some heavy e-mailing. I haven't been able to get it up and running though, partly because some versions always wanted to install Appearance Manager which is a no-no for me :-) So feel free to share your Eudora experiences with us if you'd like and we continue discussions there :-)
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #32 on: March 03, 2023, 11:20
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I posted a short note for setting up Eudora with SMTP sendmail here. Feel free to copy it to S7T if you like it.
Last Edit: March 03, 2023, 11:29 by 68040
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #33 on: March 04, 2023, 13:18
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I do have to add one thing though: Mulberry is a lot faster when handling huge amounts of mail. So once again it proves true that apps aimed at the corporate world can afford to look ugly. Just as long as they get the job done, nobody (in charge) cares how clumsy the UI works.
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #34 on: March 04, 2023, 15:03
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Update: Things speed up significantly (though still a bit slower than Mulberry) once I adjusted the performance sessions on STunnel. Seems to me like Eudora doesn't do much caching of its own, so the tunnel has to take care of that for it. I also found a post that tells how to set up SSL tunneling for webpages: Quote [en.wikipedia.org] Mind you that each webpage accessed this way requires a port mapping of its own. You then either call up that webpage by its assigned IP# and port # (e.g. 127.0.2.1:80 for en.wikipedia.org) or you make an entry for the corresponding domain name in your hosts file (which I find far more elegant). IMPORTANT: If you are executing STunnel from a different machine or are trying to tunnel out of B-II then you must replace the "127.*" entries with the IP# or domain name of the system STunnel is running on! As that would post a challenge if you only got 1 NIC you have to differentiate the entries via port # instead. So e.g.: 192.168.8.10:1080 -> wikipedia.org 192.168.8.10:1090 -> macintoshgarden.org a.s.o. Just make sure you suffer no conflicts with ports already in use by other apps. So stay above 1024 to begin with.
Last Edit: March 04, 2023, 15:14 by 68040
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #35 on: March 04, 2023, 16:59
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Update: I tested the settings for tunneling https traffic and whilst I can reach different web servers with it, they seem to dislike me for messing up their protocol chain. Thus far I couldn't find a single one willing to serve me up a web page like this. They all come up with some kind of error page instead.  So, more debugging needed on this.
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #36 on: March 04, 2023, 22:58
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Yeah, stunnel is not really made for that kind of dynamic traffic that browsing the web is. Have you checked out Crypto Ancienne (modern browser needed)? It's made by Cameron Kaiser, the man behind TenFourFox, Classilla and recently the MacLynx "reboot'. Crypto Ancienne together with Classilla or MacLynx makes you surf the modern SSL web. It's what I use here at home and it has worked wonders for a few years 
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #37 on: March 04, 2023, 23:20
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Intriguing!  I like the part in Crypto Ancienne's docs (Ancienne being French for old or former) that lets the reader know that:Quote from: Cypto Ancienne's GitHub website If you use this for something mission-critical, you are stupid. It may work, but you're still stupid (and) don't file issues about (features not yet supported but coming soon) if you do, they will be closed as "user doesn't read documentation" and offenders will be ravenously eaten.These type of amazing 'old-to-modern' hacks and similar nuggets like the STunnel setup need to be shown as videos to allow those of us 'less-techie' to get in on the fun! (thanks for sharing on this, Knezzen!!)
Last Edit: March 05, 2023, 01:12 by cballero
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #38 on: March 05, 2023, 00:01
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Well, Classzilla doesn't work on 68k and MacLynx is text only. Also, I am looking for a solution that is 100% transparent to the apps I am trying to connect with. STunnel can enable TLS connections and I'm gonna work out what it takes to tunnel web traffic with it.
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #39 on: March 05, 2023, 00:21
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Yes, but not in a way that works with a web browser. Crypto Ancienne is totally transparent to the browser. You just set it up as proxy on the browser side.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #40 on: March 05, 2023, 01:24
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@Knezzen: you mentioned Classila and I just helped my dad setup QEMU (I ended downloading the latest version from the QEMU website) but for audio support it got all jumbled:
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #41 on: March 05, 2023, 03:09
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@Knezzen - I saw no executables on that website, only a source code tarball (or Zip file). The whole thing doesn't look round to me, more like a toy project than something ripe for everyday use. Even the author's comments indicate that its barely practical and most surely not "secure". He even hints that it won't connect properly on anything below an overclocked 68k CPU. STunnel on the other hand offers industry strength SSL encryption of almost any traffic you encapsulate in it. So you can go out in plain text, travel securely over the Web and be accepted on the other side like a normal 21st century customer. On top of that it offers caching that will permit SSL traffic to happen with next to no slow downs for vintage systems. I just downloaded over 10k e-mails with it, and that in just a few hours. Frankly, I wouldn't put much stock in tunneled HTTP(S) traffic but that has more to do with Java and modern day HTML standards than with the choice of SSL encryption. But if I do set something like this up, then I expect to get the whole nine yards out of it. So either real SSL or no SLL, but no make-believe library where I'll be "ravenously eaten" if I dare to come back and ask questions about it. (because everyone is supposed to know its only meant to tickle your funny bone).
Last Edit: March 05, 2023, 03:11 by 68040
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #42 on: March 05, 2023, 12:05
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Not really following you now. It's a hobby project, so of course a one man show can't support commercial grade "production environments". The same guy made Classilla and TenFourFox and they have the same type of "use at your own risk" typ of statement, which is what you'll expect from a one man software outfit. They work just fine regardless, don't you think? Classilla works fine with Crypto Ancienne and me and Bolkonskij have been using it for a few years to browse the modern WWW on our old machines. Crypto Ancienne needs some power (as in a overclocked 68k) to handle the cryptography if you compile it on the same machine as you intend to use it as a proxy on. I have it on a local Debian 11 machine and it handles all the cryptation for me. Just like your stunnel setup on your Linux machine handles it for you when you fetch emails, so my SE/30 or PowerBook 540c can make use of it in combination with say the reboot of MacLynx. I'm not a totalitarian regime by any measure, and I merely tried to point you to something helpful on your quest for the ultimate 68k machine.
Last Edit: March 05, 2023, 12:07 by Knezzen
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #43 on: March 05, 2023, 18:43
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Well I love it all! The good, the bad, and even the ugly.. they're all steps in the right direction, a la Thomas Edison who didn't stop till he had a working light bulb. But even he had to build upon what was already discovered like electricity and using metal to send that energy from point A to point B. Crypto Ancienne is a wonderful tool as is STunnel. I think both have good elements by seeing those who support them, even if they're not perfect, since we can't have perfection without any massive effort. They get the job done, each in its own way. So maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but would it be fair to say that STunnel should be used for mission-critical ops like setting-up your email connections and perhaps important websites. See, for me, most Classic web surfing is more of a recreational and educational experience, so if Crypto Ancienne can open up the door to a bunch of sites more easily, I'm all in, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and all! It's all good in my book! 
Last Edit: March 05, 2023, 18:45 by cballero
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #44 on: March 05, 2023, 21:05
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Quote from: Knezzen I'm not a totalitarian regime by any measure, and I merely tried to point you to something helpful on your quest for the ultimate 68k machine.Yet my "ultimate 68k machine" is not a game box but a system I plan to use for work. So yes, I got to fess up to the man about the viability of my setup. I won't even dare to imagine the sheer horror a revelation of me doing any kind of work on a 25 years old vintage OS would cause in a management meeting. So whatever I do it has to live up to present day standards: Be it document work, presentations or - heaven forbid they'd ever allow me to do this from my own machine - the occasional SSH session. I am never going to ask anyone to enable deprecated ciphers or "give me an extra hour", because then I'd have to explain to them why. When I'll answer my e-mails with Eudora, I'll take great pains to have the result resemble present day standards as closely as possible. Same goes for my Word documents a.s.o. A library that by the admission of its own author would only be used "by dumb people" for productive use would just take up space on my system. It could serve no practical purpose for me. Yet if your mileage varies, then all the better for you.
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