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cballero
1024 MB  Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever 
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on: September 30, 2022, 04:42
I have a neat System 7 software to share!  So a recently-abandoned software offers a real good opportunity to bridge the new and old! QuickPopup offered LAN chat software that works between new and old computers.. funny they left out mobile devices and Chromebooks, but I digress  The archive.org cached of their site shows the latest software links to each version, but only some of those versions were actually cached. The missing latest versions were Intel Macs and vintage Windows versions from 95 to XP  Here's the MG link: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/quickpopup I searched Google and I've run out of ideas on where to find them, but I'm hoping we can ask around for any copies? The last version number was 4.5.1, but at least I found version 4.0 also in the archive uploaded from Tucows. |
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB  Posts: 2023
Reply #1 on: September 30, 2022, 10:12
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Congratulated you on the find already on the Garden! It's a really nice and unique piece since it supports so many different platforms. Now give me that 90's computer lab on where to use it ... :-D But this could be a fun software to use in computer museums where they hook up a dozen or so machines and allow visitors to chat with eachother. I wonder if this could be shoehorned into a full fledged internet messenger covering next to all major 90's platforms too. Remember the guy that ran this Appletalk network via TCP/IP connection? I just can't recall the name / URL. Darn, I had like 2 hours of sleep after an all-nighter with my 3-year-old ("My tummy hurts...") As for missing versions, I find there's no better web detective than our dear Cashed. Whenever I think it's impossible to find something he goes on searching for two days and then sends me that file. :-D
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Cashed
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128 MB Posts: 192 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #2 on: September 30, 2022, 11:32
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Firstly! -Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious find @cballero What an unique cross platform software -noticed it yesterday. Oh I thought you had it covered as I saw you stack up all the additional versions. It always tingles in me to go search for more versions -I'll give it a go later tonight  Museum chat! Ha! That's a great one @Bolkonskij Can you keep a secret... Just between you and me? The other day, I actually talked with my wife about opening up an Apple museum! Yeah I know I said on macos9lives I wouldn't do it -but heck that museum is still up for sale and I ain't getting any younger. I sure have the stomach for it, I'm just quite sure I'd be surrounded by dust... But it'd be magic dust! -hope the little ones tummy is better now.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #3 on: September 30, 2022, 14:29
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Can I just tell both of you now that you're the best of the best on the planet? Background: QuickPopUp used to be the holy grail of local communications in 2000. I trialed MacPopUp and though the world of it and even pitched it around some of the schools and offices I consulted with. It was one of those software marvels that no one seemed to know about and like most thing Mac, it just worked! Then and now: so after life interjected me becoming a tech 'globetrotter' taking me just about to the four corners of the world plus all of the busyness as well as the ups and downs that come with that, this one became a back-burner item to be though of from time to time. The fact that they lasted over twenty years alone is a lasting testament to their software's brilliance, so since we already think the world of Mac software gone by, at the very least I had to praise its incredible legacy and can only imagine what an adventure they had globally over their two decades plus in business, you know? In fact, I was in shock when I realized they had closed down their doors online!  So now I turn back to the heart of my vision: small families that homeschool together, local youth clubs that discover the fun of and revive retro-computing more and more (Mini vMac, BII, SheepShaver and QEMU are all integral to this), including but not limited to youth outreach charities, social school, church and other informal weekly meet-up for hobby get-togethers, even schools that can claim back and reuse old gear that missed being tossed somehow by tech hoarding educators ( gosh! don't we wish that'd be true?) This is exactly why I roll back to Basilisk II, because it lowers the bar of entry to the smallest common denominator: all old Android devices.. these little beauties can run Mac OS 7 and 8 so well, which made me try it on my first Android-capable Chromebook, and that blew me away. And remembering that I consulted at the beginning of the tail-end of 68k Mac globally, I knew the value Apple was selling to the world at the time, but all of this marvel hinged on the software to be as insanely great as the OS and hardware. The brilliance of the software that ensued during that amazing era is like a breath of fresh air in the digital pollution we see today. The MacPopUp folks banked on this for two decades, and now that they've hung their shingle, I'm happy to give their software new wings, not only in our little computing nook, but anywhere nostalgia can turn to passion for vintage computing. I mean, this stuff can talk freely to all of these OSes, similar to the juggernaut that was Timbuktu, but it spread to all things Linux as well ( 68040 should love that aspect for sure! ), you know?So if you notice, I look for the 'wow' factor (at least to us) software items that push the vintage limits like skinning the OS as well as figuring out how to get MPEGDEC to easily stream audio ( which for Basilisk II specifically, also meant figuring out the 'secret' of getting it to work properly online, I even busted out a whole wiki on the MG on that! 68040 knows how that felt! ) looking for lost gold with gems like WriteNow and its brilliant 3rd-party toolbar that's now gone AWOL (both of these first software items are built in the insanely crazy cool 68k assembly language, and as a side note, 68k assembly language is the way to really pimp-and-trick-out any software speed-wise, especially for real Mac hardware.. this makes the impossible possible for hard-to-do stuff like MP3 playback or simply fast speeds on anything, especially any low-end 68k Mac), pushing to find a dead-easy ways to encode in Cinepak video on any platform (this is why I've been trying to get either QEMU or SheepShaver to run on the Linux-capable Chromebooks) but I may need to just (grudgingly, lol) keep trying that on Windows for now, my desire to have an A-Dock in 68k, my push to get AOL's 68k AIM running online again (don't even get me started on MAME and NES on 68k, lol).. I mean, it feels like 68k was just dumped at its prime, and small outfits like those who brought the world MacPopUp seemed to understand and center their model around this by joining the old with the new, what a brilliant retro-friendly concept! Pushing the envelope has always been the Mac way, so I guess I've lived a very Mac life, huh? And seeing 68040 do the wizardry he does with his über-cool Basilisk II setup, well, he's the mad scientist and nutty professor all rolled into one and I think the world of his mad genius! Oops, I meant this post to be not so long and impassionately detailed! I guess I'll never learn
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Cashed
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128 MB Posts: 192 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #4 on: October 01, 2022, 00:23
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Ditto @cballero -luv your passionately detailed comments Got home and had a quick go at it. Yeah you are right it is a little bit of a jumble. (I can assist in indentifying the versions) It looks like you got all the versions, DL #8 is v4.5.1 When you say *latest versions* -are you referring to choosing the timestamp in 2011 and downloading? Because it seems the lastest and final versions were from 2006-2007 when I take a cdx-peek, there are QuickPopup.zip & QuickPopupX.zip in 2011, but it looks like a re-capture of the same files from 2006. I'll follow up on this. You mentioned MacPopUp -I found 2 versions of it. If I understand it right, MacPopUp is the same as QuickPopUp ? -the docs explains the same features that QuickPopUp offers. MacPopUp.hqx expands to a .dmg with a 2.5b version MPUPInstall.hqx v2.5 Classic Installer Getting home late tomorrow "today" need to rush in bed, I'll follow up in the end of the weekend
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #5 on: October 01, 2022, 10:02
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Shouldn't this still be working via VPN over the Internet? If you run an emulator or connect to the Internet via a router joining a VPN should be a breeze. We just need a common server to connect to and then we could all use this to chat.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #6 on: October 01, 2022, 12:22
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I will never, ever stop praising our group of incredible mad scientists!!! And I think this is why we all push things to the forefront that have potential. My biggest blunder was knowing about QuickPopUp all of these years and not mentioning it enough (or at all) here and in the Garden so someone smarter than me could gather all of the updated installers to avoid not having all of the pieces to run this in all of its glory! Both ideas on the VPN and tinkering to turn it into a full-fledged IM (which I also love, but this source code stuff seems to be essential to further developing apparently) are awesome! So you're saying a VPN could be hosted? (assume I'm a complete dolt for most things, lol). My idea was to use a (now) outdated hardware VPN device that connects to wifi (and possibly Ethernet? but I doubt that) and tunnels to a router counterpart to connect you to a remote Internet connection, so you can connect to that Internet 'locally' from anywhere! It's way simpler than it sounds but requires buying some hard-to-find overpriced gear, lol! So again, who, how and/or where could this be hosted? If I'm understanding you right! To somehow extend this from LAN to anywhere would be fabulously supercaliexpialidotious indeed!
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #7 on: October 01, 2022, 13:30
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The catch here is being on a common network (like in 192.168.1.[1-256]), as this seems to be non-routable chat protocol. When you connect directly via the Internet, nobody know beforehand what your IP# might look like for any given trip to the Net. That includes the chat program, too, which makes it impossible to address the text message to the correct recipient. But a VPN works like a truly exclusive social club, where only the select few (invited) guests have access to. Its a network within a network, which has the great advantage that all of its members can talk to each other w/o any further routing being required. So P2P chat protocols should work just fine, as long as all members stay connected to the VPN. As a nice "side-effect" it also makes all communications secure towards the outside. All that is required is 1 server acting as the VPN host. The rest can be done via SSH tunneling, even from within MacSSH. But the ciphers MacSSH uses are deprecated by now, which would require a lot of manual setup changes to allow it to connect to a modern day SSH host. And this would also degrade security when running it over the Internet. That is why I would prefer going via either a host PC (in case of B-II) or using the VPN abillity any decent Internet router should have built in these days. There is one catch though: Modern day operating systems can handle being connected to multiple networks at the same time. Present day routers should be able to handle it, too. But when tunneling directly from a vintage systems you'll likely loose the abillity to browse the Internet or connect anywhere outside the VPN while being hooked up to it. I had this issue under OS/2 and also Windows XP, forcing me to do my private browsing via the company network during remote projects (which got me into trouble a few times).
Last Edit: October 01, 2022, 13:37 by 68040
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #8 on: October 01, 2022, 20:26
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #9 on: October 02, 2022, 13:28
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@Knezzen: I'm definitely looking into that one! I wanted to look at this QuickPopUp scenario as a gateway between the house and my parent's own outside of the U.S. Again, I am going to be testing my hardware VPN solution, hopefully by mid-late November, but this would make it a little more than a two-location connection. (and the idea of having a secure gateway opens up doors to so much more, too!) When I consulted in NorCal ages ago, I tested out a neat hardware-based VoIP 'IPBX' (Internet PBX) from Simton Technologies, which at the time allowed for a peer-to-peer private WAN VoIP PBX between consultants that could span the globe. I think they're connecting much more than just phones between the Internet these days, so it would be really neat to have a cool tool like this as well as what they may be cooking in their labs these days to really make connectivity a global village without the '1984' feel of the giant communication orgs centralizing everything. Being able to pick up a line from anywhere and check in on mom, dad, brother, aunties, cousins with nothing more than an Internet connection.. the thought alone is so freeing, you know? Hmm, I wonder if their current solutions add IPBX systems with other VPN-level computer connections as well? It may be all that I need to get that dream connection through a global vendor that hasn't become extinct. I'm actually surprised that there aren't more companies in this niche communication market since this kind of product solves so many logistics issues. For me, it can makes connecting with family and loved ones a piece of cake, and this is an ideal time to begin doing so Did I just discover the holy-grail of peer-to-peer communications (again)?
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Cashed
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128 MB Posts: 192 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #10 on: October 02, 2022, 15:23
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Quote You mentioned MacPopUp -I found 2 versions of it. If I understand it right, MacPopUp is the same as QuickPopUp ? @cballero is it the same just different name prior to becoming QuickPopUp ?
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #11 on: October 02, 2022, 21:56
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@Cashed: only one way to truly find out: unstuffing the tomes to see what we find outside. I imagine that the last MacPopUp versions may have been re-branded the earliest QuickPopUp versions. As far as to whether they can communicate with each other, I'd guess that they would also all have that capability, as when I think about it, they thought to expand their communications outside of the Mac OS bubble, which I think was a brilliant move to expand to a much larger market while still maintaining the legacy connections to Mac 68k System 7 and Windows 95 on up!
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Cashed
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128 MB Posts: 192 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #12 on: October 02, 2022, 22:24
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Great -thanks for noticing I'll upload it to the QuickPopUp site in a sec -please delete if you find it's not the same. But even the screenshots looks identical
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1179 System 7, today and forever
Reply #13 on: October 24, 2022, 23:57
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@Cashed:did I find a legit Mac OS X 4.5 QuickPopUp installer here? http://ru.softoware.org/apps/download-quickpopup-for-mac.html I wanted to shoot it this way before uploading it to the Garden, well, because it's from a rather random-looking download site so I'd rather be safe-than-sorry, but I know that our gang here's mostly more savvy than all the peeps at the more popular MG site, so test carefully! Ps. tbh, I don't know if any of the OS X installers were the 4.5 version since I assumed they were at most the 4.0 versions I snatched from the web archive, lol
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Cashed
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128 MB Posts: 192 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #14 on: October 25, 2022, 08:28
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Hey @cballero Just tested it's version 4.5.1 X, same version already on uploaded to the page QuickPopupOSXPPC.zip (DL #8) Thanks for the popup reminder -I'll go through the versions.
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