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edd
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on: October 18, 2011, 10:42
As you may have seen in the hardware forum, I got myself a Color Classic running 7.1, and found it a real nightmare to hook up my CD Drive as the system folder was a mess (previous owner.) I finally managed to get the CD extension working, so the first thing I wanted to do was a clean install of 7.5.3. I downloaded the files from Apple, made sure there was plenty of free disk space (80mb HD) and then started the clean installation. It stalled on "copying fonts to fonts folder" for over an hour, so I gave up and powered off. I realiase this is a No No with any OS installation, but it wouldn't cancel and had basically crashed. Anyway now I'm greeted with the flashing floppy on boot. I tried to make a boot disk on OS X using terminal (both network floppy and disktools) and it won't read either of them. The disks I made seem fine to me - they show up as Mac OS Standard in Disk Utility, and have the correct files on them. I made them from image files. So now I'm stuck. I'm hoping I can somehow boot the machine, and then simply rename my old system folder and delete the half installed new one. Will this work? And how can I get to this stage if my floppies aren't working? Is there a bootable 7.5.3 CD image anywhere? Any help appreciated, as I currently have a 'bricked' Color Classic 
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edd
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8 MB Posts: 14
Reply #1 on: October 18, 2011, 10:44
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By the way, my Color Classic has 10mb RAM so from what I've read should handle 7.5.3 just fine. So I'm stumped as to why the installation falied in the first place.
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edd
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8 MB Posts: 14
Reply #2 on: October 18, 2011, 20:31
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Never mind - second time lucky. Looks like the floppy I used originally had bad sectors, the second attempt on a new disk booted fine. 7.5.3 went on flawlessly (and quickly) at the second attempt. I'm impressed at how quick 7.5.3 is compared to 7.1, it seems much faster! And looks significantly more modern too.
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edd
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8 MB Posts: 14
Reply #3 on: October 19, 2011, 14:58
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I'm still very confused by the way System 7 handles moving/coyping files. Please can someone explain it to me? For example, sometimes if I move an item from a floppy disk to my desktop (meaning I obviously want to copy it to the desktop) it moves it from the disk, yet is still on the disk as if I eject it, the file disappears. And also quite a few installers I've found ask me to insert disks during installation even though I have all the files on a CD/folder.
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #4 on: October 19, 2011, 15:12
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Every drive has it's own hidden desktop folder, the contents of all of which appear on the desktop. When you move a file from a floppy to the desktop, you're just moving it to the floppy's desktop folder, not the Mac's. If you drag a file from a CD to the desktop, it'll copy to your system volume because obviously the CD is read-only. Copying installation files from a floppy disk image to a CD isn't useful because most installers check for a floppy with such-and-such name.
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edd
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8 MB Posts: 14
Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 10:57
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OK thanks. So basically there's no way to move an installer that works to the HD/CD? That makes quite a few things I've downloaded useless as it seems unless you 'burn' an original disk image to a disk, it doesn't accept a disk that just has the same name anyway. So I'm slightly puzzled as to why people upload app files if they're no use!
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 14:02
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The Mac OS method of working with floppies goes back to how it had to be done on the old old Macs which had one floppy drive and no hard drive. Hardware changed but methodologies did not change. And you are quite correct that it is confusing, esoteric, and overly complex. If you have a software installer on floppy disk, you generally just run the installer from the floppy disk and do not copy the installer itself to the hard drive. The easiest way to copy the installer to the hard drive is to use DiskCopy, which should be in the Utility folder and make an image of the floppy for keeping on the hard drive. And that disk image file mounts just like it were an actual floppy by double clicking on it. To specifically copy a file from a floppy to the hard drive you need to make sure that you drag the file onto the hard drive icon not drag it to the desktop. I believe you can make a copy to the Desktop if you drag the file to the desktop by holding down the option key while dragging it to the desktop. Back in the days when Macs came with and used floppy drives, they also came with excellent spiral bound manuals that explained and illustrated the hows and whys of these types of operations. It sounds like you have a basic install and once you get the pieces in place to finish hardware support your life should get much easier. bill
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edd
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8 MB Posts: 14
Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 14:48
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Thanks Bill, that makes a lot of sense. I will look for Disk Copy.
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24bit
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64 MB Posts: 91
Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 12:20
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Actually there seems to be a bootable 7.5.3 CD image floating around. Are you still looking for one?
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