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jackbonam
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on: February 05, 2010, 22:30
Hi all I have a PB1400 and just for the hell of it would like to burn cds using an external scsi burner (I don't think internal burners work). I gather I need Toast 3 for this, as Toast 4 tells me I need SCSI Manager 4.3, which is not present on the trusty old 1400. Any ideas? Colin |
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 00:03
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You are correct the Powerbook 1400 does not have SCSI Manager 4.3. This is in the Mac ROM, so it is not possible to add it via an extension either. Toast 3.5 is the newest Toast version that will work with the PB 1400. I have used Toast 3.5 to burn CDs on 68k Macs so it should work fine on the PB 1400. You might need to enable termination power on the external case because powerbooks do not provide termination power to the external SCSI. The Powerbook 3400 was the first Powerbook to include SCSI Manager 4.3. The Quadra 840 was the first Mac desktop to include SCSI Manager 4.3. bill
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jackbonam
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4 MB Posts: 6
Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 00:23
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Thanks Bill I'm new here, and still running 8.6, but intend to give System 7 a try. Will I lose anything? Back on topic, do you know of anywhere I can get Toast 3.5 or some recording software that will work on the 1400. Roxio are not helpful I believe. I have heard mention of B's Recorder Gold but can't find an old version. Colin
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jackbonam
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4 MB Posts: 6
Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 02:41
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Well, success! I found Toast 3.5 at Macintosh Garden, a tremendous site with lots of vintage abandonware, apps and games. I burned my first CD tonight on the PB1400 (with a G3 233mh upgrade), though I find SCSI temperamental. I seem to have to switch ON the external SCSI recorder first, and switch OFF the 1400 first, otherwise I get various probs - a sad mac, or a locked up mac. And I can't burn on the fly at more than 2X. A full audio cd takes a not too bad 33 minutes. I have an internal ide cdr but Toast doesn't recognise it. I have heard that B's Recorder Gold would work with the internal drive but I can't lay my hands on an old version to try it. I have system 7 on a series of floppies and will try it. The idea of running lean, using software meant for the 1400 appeals to me. Any tips that I should follow with regard to the best software to use for word processing and graphics design? And in becoming leaner (and swifter?) do I lose any functionality? Colin
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IronTooth
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8 MB Posts: 14
Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 03:29
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Curious - I used Toast 4.1.2 and 4.1.3 OEM to burn any number of CDs on my PB1400. I never ran version 3.x. I'm pretty sure I didn't try burning CDs under System 7 - definitely did under 8.6 and 9.1. - Don
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 14:58
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The one thing that older hardware does not do well is the internet. eMail remains usable, gopher is seeing a resurgence and newsgroups are still available. Many sites are readable but format poorly, and a great many more are not usable at all. Any software that did run on the 1400 of course continues to run as well as it ever did. ClarisWorks is a powerful productivity suite and older versions of Office run fine as well. There are interesting software packages that run and open new possibilities. HyperCard can be used for productivity and for fun and opens possibilities on the 1400 that are not used much any more. As with most old hardware, it is more enjoyable if you keep in mind what it is the machine can do and do not see it as a replacement or substitute for newer and more capable hardware. bill
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IronTooth
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8 MB Posts: 14
Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 16:24
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As far as I know, the PB1400 will not run any version of System 7 except: - System 7.5.3 with the special enabler that was included on the PB1400 software CD. - Systems 7.6 and 7.6.1 - Don
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 20:48
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According to MacTracker the Powerbook 1400 shipped with System 7.5.2 with the special Powerbook 1400 enabler. It should run System 7.5.3 and up without the need for any enabler. bill
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jackbonam
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4 MB Posts: 6
Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 21:12
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Thanks for all the advice. I may have been wrong then about Toast 4.x. I did find a very helpful article about cd burning on older Powerbooks at www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/seagate/536/burningcds.html which also suggested Toast 4.x could work on these older books. My success may have been due to switching off Ramdoubler, rather than switching Toast! Ah well .... I will instal System 7 from the 1400 instal cd, which I recently bought. Do I have to uninstal 8.6 first? (I'd rather not, though I have the cd to reinstal if need be.) Again thanks for the help and advice. I'll hang around if I may! Colin
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IronTooth
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8 MB Posts: 14
Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 23:43
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Continuing this just for accuracy: The PB1400 CD that I have is System 7.5.3 and has the PB1400 Enabler - I have read that System 7.5.5 is not compatible with the PB1400, and also that the downloadable System 7.5.3 can not be used with the PB1400. I have personally run 7.5.3 (w/enabler), 7.6, 7.6.1, and every release from 8.0 through 9.1 on my PB1400. I currently have it set up with 7.6.1 and 9.1 on separate partitions, to allow running all the applications that I want to have installed. - Don
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jackbonam
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4 MB Posts: 6
Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 01:59
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Hmmm So to install different os's I need to partition the drive? (Sorry if this sounds a stupid question!) Colin
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 03:40
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Apple has a "System Picker" that allow you to choose which system to start from if you install different versions of the OS on the same partition. However with that said, I believe it is considered best practice to install different systems in their own partition. You can then use the Startup control panel to select which system you wish use. Be aware that from OS 8.1 on you can use the HFS+ file system while systems prior to that can only access HFS file systems. So if you wish to have all your files and folders available in both System 7 and in OS 8.6 it will be necessary to install both systems in partitions formatted as HFS. The Powerbook 1400 is very popular in these forums and on this site. I never really got the bug for a Powerbook 1400 so I would defer to the advice of others as far what Systems will work and are most usable on the Powerbook 1400. bill
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Lichen Software
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128 MB Posts: 252
Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 13:13
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Your best mileage will be if you can partition and have a couple of OS's. I put a new hard drive in mine bumping it up to 30 Gb. Then I currently have three partitions: 2 Gb OS 7.6.1 2 Gb OS 8.6 Balance is a data partition. I have tried 7.6.1, 8.1, 8.6 and 9.0.4. I settled on the two I am using as the most productive. I had the absolute least joy installing 8.1. I never did get a stable install. I am running a G3 333 in mine and maximum RAM. That being said, OS 7.6, perception only, is about 30 % faster for most things. This is 7.6.1 upgraded as per this site and any applicable upgrades also applied to 8.6. I find I am using 8.6 most of the time because it runs: Classilla - best browsing on older machines and still being updated. Later versions of Eudora - I download in the morning, leaving everything on the server and then with eudora and can tell the server to delete spam prior to it ever hitting my good machines. AppleWorks 6 - Gives me totally compatible files between my OS X machines and the PB 1400 I run SoundJam with VM off in 7.6. It seems to run better without freezing the machine. If I could find a good browsing experience in 7.6.1, I would switch it all through to 7.6.1 in a minute. Cameron Kaiser, the fellow at Floodgap developing Classilla had a note on the Floodgap site that there was something he was going to try to do for Netscape after he finished up with Classilla. I hope he is successful. I imagine, putting out the next rev of Classilla by March 15 is taking up his time - as well as I imagine, his "Day Job". If you are going to browse on 7.6.1, there is a thread here on user.js files for Netscape that lets you access the about:config commands buried inside. You can turn up the speed substantially.
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jackbonam
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4 MB Posts: 6
Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 20:34
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Hi all Thanks for all of that!! I'm off to look for a bigger hard drive (30gb) on ebay! I thought there was an 8gb limit on PB 1400 drives but obviously not. I appreciate the benefits of Appleworks but prefer (for reasons unclear to me) Clarisworks - perhaps its integration is like the way we think? I will definitely try Classilla and Eudora. Colin
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Lichen Software
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128 MB Posts: 252
Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 21:48
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AppleWorks and ClarisWorks - same thing. Version 6 is the last in the line. One became the other. I think at version 5 they run side by side. I think version 5 will run on 7.6.1. Version 6 is OS 8 and up. You can take a look at http://www.wegenermedia.com/hdd.htm For hard drives. Not the cheapest, but there when you want them. They also carry other PB 1400 parts. Again, convenient if Ebay does not come through,
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