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mac2geezer
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on: January 09, 2009, 03:00
I just picked up a Laserwriter Pro 600; when connected to the printer port on either a IIfx (OS 7.6.1) or a 9500 (OS 9.2.2) with a standard printer cable it never shows up in the Chooser. Status lights on the printer show that it's "ready". Is there an extension for the Pro series Laserwriters or should it show up with Laserwiter 8? |
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Blessed Cheesemaker
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8 MB Posts: 13
Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 03:57
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Is that an Appletalk printer? Do you need to have Appletalk turned on (and on that specific port) in order for it to work? I think as long as you have "Laserwriter" or "Laserwriter 8" selected in the chooser, and Appletalk on, it should show up. Any other specifics about what OS you are using, or anything else that might help in diagnosing?
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mac2geezer
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64 MB Posts: 68
Reply #2 on: January 09, 2009, 04:46
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It's a Localtalk device, but the book says that I can connect directly to the printer port on the computer without using any Localtalk "boxes". Appletalk is active but it;s set to use an ethernet card. I'll try setting it to the printer port. The printer has paper handling problems but my thought was to try to fix that if everything else works. I actually bought it for the nearly new toner cartridge and to use as a parts bin for my 16/600.
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Lichen Software
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128 MB Posts: 252 
Reply #3 on: January 09, 2009, 15:41
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Setting Appletalk to the printer port should do it. If you can find an Asante "AsanteTalk" AppleTalk to Ethernet transducer and you have some localtalk connectors lying around, you can set this up as a network printer and use it with both old and new macs. Asante also made a specific LocalTalk-Ethernet transducer device for printers that would self boot after the power went out and came back on. I am using an AsanteTalk with a LaserWriter 4/600-PS and I can print from any computer in the house with the exception of my XP Box. I have not been able to get the AppleTalk drivers for that computer. Good Luck. Let us know how you make out. Dave
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mac2geezer
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64 MB Posts: 68
Reply #4 on: January 10, 2009, 02:55
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Thanks for the tips. Setting Appletalk to the printer port did the trick. The printer still has the paper feed problem; it starts to feed a sheet but only gets about 3 inches in before the paper stops. It doesn't get as far as the toner and looks like the feed roller on the left side isn't making contact with an idler roller At least that's what it looks like at this point. Anyway, at least it shows up in the Chooser now. I'll look for an Asante Localtalk to Ethernet bridge.
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mac2geezer
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64 MB Posts: 68
Reply #5 on: January 10, 2009, 05:33
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After a Google search on AsanteTalk I'm only slightly better informed. Are the LocalTalk ports on the AsanteTalk box RJ11 or ?? I have what looks like a PhoneNet connector; a box with a Din 8 cable and 2 RJ11 ports, one with a terminator resister, and a long cable that looks like phone cord (RJ11 connectors). All that came with the printer. My knowledge of LocalTalk is limited to the Wikipedia entry, as everyone can tell.
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Blessed Cheesemaker
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8 MB Posts: 13
Reply #6 on: January 10, 2009, 15:15
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Quote from: "mac2geezer" After a Google search on AsanteTalk I'm only slightly better informed. Are the LocalTalk ports on the AsanteTalk box RJ11 or ?? I have what looks like a PhoneNet connector; a box with a Din 8 cable and 2 RJ11 ports, one with a terminator resister, and a long cable that looks like phone cord (RJ11 connectors). All that came with the printer. Hi, I don't want to get you started on some sort of Rube Goldberg printing "solution." If all you want to do is connect 1 printer to 1 mac, then you don't need to have any fancy set-up. All you need to do is have a single cable running from your Mac to the printer, which it sounds like you already do. If you do want a network set-up, then you will need to get extra equipment. There are some real technical differences between AppleTalk and LocalTalk, which I don't understand/can't remember, and I don't think we really need to get into here. I have my LaserWriter Pro 630 set up on my network. Using a AAUI-RJ45 adaptor, I have a regular Cat5 cable going from my Laserwriter 630 to the router; this lets me print from my G4 Sawtooth (running 10.4 Tiger) as well as my S900 SuperMac that runs OS 7.6.1 (as well as 9.1). Since I don't have an ethernet card for my Mac IIsi, I just use a regular 8-pin LocalTalk cable from the Mac IIsi to the LW630. For all computers, I have to have AppleTalk turned on, so the computer sees the printer. The problem you describe with the printer sheet sounds like a known age/length of service issue with the rollers. There was recently a kit for sale on ebay for repairs such as this, these kits were readily available years ago, but of course are rare-er these days. My 630 is great. I don't use it as much now as in the past, but I can print with everything from an Apple IIGS, Newton, all the way up to my G4. And it has a Windows-style printer port, so it will be a while before I get rid of it. HTH!
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mac2geezer
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64 MB Posts: 68
Reply #7 on: January 10, 2009, 18:37
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Thanks for the reply. I have a LaserWriter 16/600 that's connected to my ethernet Lan and can print fine on it from 7.6.1, 9.1, 9.2.2, 10.4.11 computers, so the ethernet portion is fairly well understood. The Pro 600 works fine (other than the paper feed problem) connected directly to the printer port on the computers. Since I appear to have one Localtalk/PhoneNet connector here it would be nice to get the Pro 600 on the network if I can pick up an AsantTalk or equivalent cheaply. The question is, what kind of ports does the AsaneTalk have; the pictures I've seen only show the RJ45 ethernet port, not the LocalTalk ports. Are they RJ11 or something else?
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #8 on: January 10, 2009, 19:46
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Quote from: "mac2geezer" The question is, what kind of ports does the AsaneTalk have; the pictures I've seen only show the RJ45 ethernet port, not the LocalTalk ports. Are they RJ11 or something else? The AsantéTalk has an RJ45 ethernet port, a power adaptor plug and a Mac Serial cable port(DIN-8 ). This is in response to an earlier post concerning differences between AppleTalk and LocalTalk. AppleTalk is a packet based communication protocol, while LocalTalk refers to specific hardware. Apple chose to implement an RS432 serial port instead of the cheaper and more common RS232 because the RS432 serial port can handle packet communications. So at its simplest AppleTalk can be transmitted between 2 machines using a plain Mac Serial cable. LocalTalk was Apple's hardware implementation for connecting more than 2 devices and having greater separation than would be allowed by using a serial cable. LocalTalk uses a transceiver. One end has the DIN-8 connector and goes to the devices serial port, while the other has a connector for a 3 wire shielded cable. While offering more connivence than a serial cable, it was not an inexpensive option. Farallon(?) developed PhoneNet. It is very similar in appearance to LocalTalk except the transceivers had a DIN-8 connector and a connector for a standard telephone cable. This was an inexpensive solution and became very popular. Most early Mac network gear you find plentiful today is PhoneNet gear. bill
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Lichen Software
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128 MB Posts: 252
Reply #9 on: January 10, 2009, 20:15
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Yup... You have a phonenet connector. RJ11 jacks are for the network connections in LocalTalk. Asante Talk takes you from a Local Talk network to an ethernet network. That is its job. This is the set up: 1. Terminated phonenet connector comes out of the printer. 2. 5' or a little more of telephone line hook onto it. Yes it needs 5' at least. 3. This goes into a second phonenet connector ( also terminated) 4. Phonenet connector plugs in with mini din plug to AsanteTalk. 5. RJ45 ethernet connection to the main ethernet network comes out the other side of the AsanteTalk. 6. Starting it all up: - Power down your router, your printer and the AsanteTalk. - Power up both the printer and the router and let them finish their power up routines. - As soon as they are done, power up the asantetalk. - Green lights blinking on the AsanteTalk means it is communicating between the printer and the router. 7. If you have a power failure - You do it all over again. 8. I could not get it to work without the phonenet connectors or with out at lesat 5' of phone wire ( do not ask where I found this out). ie: neither a direct wire or a short phone line did not work for me. HTH dave
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mac2geezer
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64 MB Posts: 68
Reply #10 on: January 11, 2009, 03:09
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Thanks for the replies. It's all pretty clear now, though the required power up sequence seems a little strange. For now the Pro 600 will be connected directly to the computer. I was able to view the status page of the printer and it shows a page count of only about 7600; that seems pretty low usage for the paper feed rollers to be worn out. Further investigation is in order.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #11 on: January 11, 2009, 14:46
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Quote from: "mac2geezer" I was able to view the status page of the printer and it shows a page count of only about 7600; that seems pretty low usage for the paper feed rollers to be worn out. Further investigation is in order. Sounds like a very low use machine. It should have lots of life left in it. The combination of heat from the machine and age will cause the rubber on the rollers to develop a glaze on the rubber making them too smooth to pick up or pull paper through the machine. This can be corrected by sanding the rollers very lightly using very fine sandpaper. bill
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daylilydiva
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1 MB Posts: 1
Reply #12 on: October 11, 2009, 21:16
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I am so desperate you can't believe it! I have a Centris 650 connected to a Laserwriter Pro 600 which has worked beautifully since 1994 (or so) but which now won't print. It was suggested that I reinstall the software, which I did and got three copies and then back to the "can't find the printer" message. When I turn the printer on by itself, I don't get even the test sheet. I have also replaced the toner cartridge. The green light is on as are the paper jam and out of paper lights but neither of those problems exist. I have my (business) life on Pagemaker and Zip disks and have no way to access them. Any suggestions will be gratefully accepted!
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #13 on: October 12, 2009, 03:29
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When the lights are on steady in combinations it is usually an error code. If you have the manual, the meaning for those codes should be in there. This site is getting a bit out of date, but does still have valid links for many Apple Manuals. Perhaps someone else will have a manual for the machine or be able to provide better information. bill
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mac2geezer
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64 MB Posts: 68
Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 05:56
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According to the Laserwriter 16/600 book, if both the paper out and jam lights are on or flashing alternately there's some kind of hadware problem. Logic board has gone belly up, there's a Ram problem, or a hard disk problem. Try resetting the Ram sticks; if that doesn't work then I suspect a logic board problem.
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