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Yeti
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on: March 11, 2008, 09:56
I think this website that Dan has created is f'n great!There aren't many resources out there for classic Mac users, and of those, most are crap. Thanks Dan! As far as the intro... All my friend do call me Yeti, have since high school. My wife even "calls" out my nickname when we are spending alone time together. Can't be any more P.C. than that... Anyway, I currently live in Springfield, Mo. and am moving to Quincy, Ill. in June. I am currently a computer science major and plan to become a developer for Apple's platform. I am currently really interested in the SDK release this June for the iPhone. Programming in Cocoa is infinitely cool, and Cocoa Touch has the promise of being even cooler. |
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Minimalist
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128 MB Posts: 186
Reply #1 on: March 12, 2008, 21:57
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I used to live and breathe Apple. Apple used to be one of the most important things in my life. That sounds really pathetic, I realize that. But in the grand scheme of things it made me much like anyone else, in that it gave me a reason to wake up in the morning. I think most people have a hobby or something that they spend a great deal of their time with. For me, the hobby was the Macintosh. I've lost interest in Apple and the Macintosh over the last several years. I couldn't tell you now which Macintosh model is the fastest, what Apple's current product lineup is, how well they're doing financially, what their most current version of Mac OS is, or even what features Mac OS now has. These are all things that I no longer have any interest in knowing. I can't say that my life is any better because of this, nor can I say that my life has deteriorated in any way due to my loss of interest in Apple. I've become much more self-centered over the last coule years. Mostly out of necessity and a need to be on the defensive. So I've really just come to realize that Apple isn't worth my time and effort. I've also come to accept that there are far more important things in life than a corporation that manufactures and sells computers and gadgets.
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #2 on: March 13, 2008, 00:23
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I, on the other hand, am the Apple standard bearer 'round these parts.
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sierraredd
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128 MB Posts: 212
Reply #3 on: March 13, 2008, 17:55
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I'm always asked by people what type of computer to get. They always want something easy to. So I give them my feelings on Apples. Then they go buy a cheap pc, cuz macs cost too much, and within a few months, they ask me how to fix it. I say I can help you fix it for $10. They give me the cash and I give them a card to a very good pc repair guy. All my current macs, a 12in ibook and a mini just work. Even all my older macs boot up and are ready to use.
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Minimalist
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128 MB Posts: 186
Reply #4 on: March 13, 2008, 21:33
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Quote from: "sierraredd" I'm always asked by people what type of computer to get. They always want something easy to. So I give them my feelings on Apples. Then they go buy a cheap pc, cuz macs cost too much, and within a few months, they ask me how to fix it. I say I can help you fix it for $10. They give me the cash and I give them a card to a very good pc repair guy. All my current macs, a 12in ibook and a mini just work. Even all my older macs boot up and are ready to use. There's a huge problem with your logic. You say: Quote from: "sierraredd" I'm always asked by people what type of computer to get. They always want something easy to. So I give them my feelings on Apples. I will assume that you're being asked for advice by people that don't own a computer and don't know how to use a computer. Quote from: "sierraredd" Then they go buy a cheap pc, cuz macs cost too much, Which would be reasonable for a person that has never owned a computer before and doesn't know how to use a computer. Why would you want to spend a lot of money on something you don't know how to use and aren't even sure if you even need a computer? Quote from: "sierraredd" and within a few months, they ask me how to fix it. Which is also a reasonable expectation of someone who has never owned a computer and doesn't know how to use one. Quote from: "sierraredd" All my current macs, a 12in ibook and a mini just work. Even all my older macs boot up and are ready to use. Which is also true of PCs running Windows. You're attempting to make an argument for the Macintosh where there is none to be made. A person that has never owned or used a computer before will have just as many problems with a Mac as they will with a PC. The chief difference being that a new computer user with PC problems will have access to a much broader pool of assistance than a new Mac user would. My main OS of choice is Linux on an X86 hardware platform. There are lots of people that can't get Linux to do what they want. For me, however, Linux just works. It always boots up. It always does what I want. It's really easy to use. The difference between me and people that have problems with Linux, is that I know how to use Linux. The Mac may be very easy for you to use and fix, but that's only because you have invested the time and effort required to learn how to use a Mac. The same holds true for folks that use Windows or any other operating system. And there's absolutely no evidence to show that Apple hardware is more reliable or of better quality than PC hardware. There's also no evidence to show that Mac OS X is any easier to learn than Windows.
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #5 on: March 13, 2008, 23:39
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I've been around / used PCs way longer than Macs. It happens when your parent is in the PC software industry. I can assure you our Macs have far fewer problems than the PCs, and it has absolutely nothing to do with me.
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Minimalist
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128 MB Posts: 186
Reply #6 on: March 14, 2008, 06:04
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I personally don't use a PC running Windows. I do, however, use a PC running Linux. The operating system aside, I find no difference in reliability or quality of components in the PC versus the Macintosh. It's true that you get what you pay for. And if you buy cheap PC components you may run into some difficulties. But that's comparing apples to oranges. Quality PC hardware is no better or worse than quality Apple hardware. Although, technically speaking, quality Apple hardware is quality PC hardware. The Macintosh is now, for all intents and purposes, just another PC. So we can pretty much establish as fact that Apple hardware is no more reliable than comparable PC hardware. All that remains for comparison is the operating system. Both operating systems present something of a learning curve for the uninitiated. That's just common sense. If you have no familairity with something, it's going to take some time to learn to use it. There's no evidence that Mac OS is easier to learn than Windows. With Mac OS X I would even hazard a guess that it's a bit more difficult to fully understand than Windows. Mostly because of its UNIX underbody. Where Windows really pales in comparison to the Mac OS is in the volume of vulnerabilities that Windows users potentially face. That's not to say that recovering from a failure on the Windows platform is any more difficult than recovering from a failure on a Mac. Like I said previously, I don't actually run Windows. I don't have a lot of experience with Windows. My brother, however, does run Windows. When I use his machine the biggest difficulty I have is in finding things. And that's entirely the product of unfamiliarity. My brother has the same problem when he uses my Mac.
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Yeti
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16 MB Posts: 20
Reply #7 on: March 14, 2008, 08:24
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Are we really having an Apple vs. Microsoft discussion on a forum page hosted by a website that was created for users of Apple products? I don't see the logic in this, but here I go... It is fact that Bill Gates started Microsoft solely as a producer of software languages. In fact when IBM contacted Gates for an operating system for their new PC computer line in the late '70's, Gates refered them to a company called Digital Research that was founded by Gary Kildall who had invented an operating system called CP/M. The first disk operating system for microcomputers. Kildall passed on IBM's proposition because they insisted that they gained all rights to the code CP/M was based on and had the right to rename the OS. Gates seized this opportunity by flying him and his partner Paul Allen to Florida and selling IBM on a Microsoft OS that wasn't in existence. Untill this time the two of them never had the disire to code an OS, let alone have a fully coded and stable platform to sell. Back in Seattle, the two of them found a company called Seattle Computer Products that had made an OS called Q-DOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System). This was essentially a CP/M clone that offered no new innovation. They bought it out right for $75,000 and sold it to IBM as MS-DOS. And thus started Microsoft's business practice of robbing truly innovative software and passing it on as their own, or stomping the innovators that may pose a threat to their monopoly out of existance. For proof, just read about the rise and fall of Netscape. I believe in being moral, prescribing to a code of ethics that foster equality and kinship. I will not support any company that adopts fear, aggresion, dishonesty, and theft to survive and/or dominate the market. I don't shop at Wal-Mart, I hate McDonald's, and I will not trust my digital life to Microsoft. I don't care if PC hardware is better or worse that Apple hardware. I don't care if OS X is as hard to learn as Windows. All I care about is the fact that Steve Jobs has continued to innovate and stay competitive while still being ethical in his business approach.
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Minimalist
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128 MB Posts: 186
Reply #8 on: March 14, 2008, 22:12
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Quote from: "Yeti"
I don't shop at WalMart either. Only my reasons for not shopping there are more practical: The WalMart in my town is in a location that is too inconvenient for me, and they typically don't carry the products that I'm looking to buy. I do browse through their flyer from time to time though, just on the off-chance that they have something on sale that would make the inconvenience worthwhile. Quote
I like McDonalds. I don't eat there, but I can't remember the last time I ate food from any restaurant -- fast food or otherwise. Quote
I don't have a problem with Microsoft either. I don't run Windows, but I do use Internet Explorer, Word, and Entourage. I'm also in need of a new USB mouse and would have no qualms in buying a Microsoft branded mouse. Quote
I find it kind of ironic that you would offer a history of Microsoft and dismiss their products as that of an unethical company when the history of Steve Jobs has been anything but ethical. I mean, you're talking about a man that cheated and swindled his very best friend: Steve Wozniak. Bill Gates may have run his company most aggressively, but there were lines that even he wouldn't cross. And cheating and swindling his best friend is one of those lines.
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Yeti
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16 MB Posts: 20
Reply #9 on: March 15, 2008, 20:27
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The Woz choose to leave Apple, it wasn't Jobs. Hell, even Jobs left Apple to concentrate on Next Software and Pixar. From what I hear Jobs and Woz are still close friends, and the speculations otherwise are mere rumor.
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Minimalist
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128 MB Posts: 186
Reply #10 on: March 15, 2008, 23:11
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Quote from: "Yeti" The Woz choose to leave Apple, it wasn't Jobs. Hell, even Jobs left Apple to concentrate on Next Software and Pixar. From what I hear Jobs and Woz are still close friends, and the speculations otherwise are mere rumor. It's not rumour; it's fact. Wozniak and Jobs are still friends because Wozniak is a kind and compassionate individual who forgives his friends of their transgressions. It is true that Wozniak left Apple of his own freewill. It is also true that Jobs cheated and swindled Wozniak out of money that he was entitled to. One example of this was when Wozniak developed an economical game board for Atari that Steve Jobs took the credit and the profits for.
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Yeti
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16 MB Posts: 20
Reply #11 on: March 18, 2008, 09:02
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I haven't thought about that in years. I'd forgotten about Jobs talking Woz into making Breakout for Atari. And only giving him four days to do it. And when Woz did it, Jobs telling Woz that Atari had only given him $700.00 for the project, and halfing it with him. Even though Atari had given Jobs a few thousand dollars. I 've always been more of a Wozniak fan, even though I still have alot of respect for Jobs... And still think Jobs is alot more ethical than Gates ever thought about. That little weasel pisses me off everytime...
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Minimalist
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128 MB Posts: 186
Reply #12 on: March 18, 2008, 23:00
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I don't think Gates is such a bad guy. In the early days when he made his famous plea for people to stop stealing his software, he wasn't whining, he just expected to get paid for his work. Can't fault a man for that. Remember too, that Bill Gates never originally wanted to create a Windows product. His original plan was to have Apple license the Mac OS to help spur widespread adoption. Gates wanted to be an application developer -- not an operating system developer. Windows only came into existence because the world didn't want a GUI on a 9" black and white screen. A lot of people slam Bill Gates for being the big bad wolf that huffed and puffed and blew every other software developers house down. But it really wasn't like that at all. Bill Gates really just took advantage of other people's poor business decisions and shortsightedness. And you can't fault the man for that either. 
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