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Deni
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on: February 16, 2008, 06:41
I can't get a program called virtual drummer working in mac OS 7. I know it requires quicktime so I installed version 4. I've tried the resedit hack of changing the version to 8.1.0, but it still doesn't work. Everytime I launch VD is says type 3 error or something. |
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Deni
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16 MB Posts: 24
Reply #1 on: February 16, 2008, 20:49
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k never mind YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY IT WORKS NOW after I installed appearance manager
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madmann
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256 MB Posts: 284 
Reply #2 on: February 16, 2008, 23:24
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not A M say it isn't so!!
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 03:23
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Yeah Appearance Manager is pretty gross. Perhaps a lower version of this software? Or a higher version of the Mac OS?
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Deni
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16 MB Posts: 24
Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 03:58
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What's so gross about it? I don't see anything wrong with it. Besides, isn't a higher version of mac os considered treason in these parts?
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 18:42
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Quote from: "Deni" What's so gross about it? I don't see anything wrong with it. Besides, isn't a higher version of mac os considered treason in these parts? Making Mac OS 7 look like Mac OS 8 is blasphemous!!! But seriously, Appearance Manager has some weird bugs occasionally in System 7, and also slows down the GUI quite a bit on the older machines. When the key beneift of System 7 on older Macs is the illusion of speed and responsivenes, installing Appearance Manager just defeats some of that purpose. As far as aesthetics, I find that the minimalist design of System 7's GUI better suited to smaller displays and slower graphics processors of the machines it runs on. Windows take up slightly less room under System 7, and redraw quicker do to the prevalence of black and white. And it just looks cleaner (note that when going to Mac OS X, Apple reverted to one pixel window borders and flat menus). Of course, your opinions may differ. But for these reasons I stick with System 7's interface.
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Deni
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16 MB Posts: 24
Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 20:37
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Interesting tips; luckily I don't have to use it for anything else.
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Minimalist
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128 MB Posts: 186
Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 19:35
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Quote from: "dpaanlka"
I agree. I *never* use appearance manager on a System 7 machine -- no matter what. If you want a system that looks like Mac OS 8 then you're better off running Mac OS 8. If you need to use applications that require Appearance manager, you really should run those applications on a machine running Mac OS 8. If you have a large enough hard drive, one option is to create a dual boot machine with both System 7 and Mac OS 8. It's quite easy to do and will prove a much better alternative to using Appearance in System 7.
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #8 on: February 18, 2008, 20:14
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Quote from: "Minimalist" I agree. I *never* use appearance manager on a System 7 machine -- no matter what. If you want a system that looks like Mac OS 8 then you're better off running Mac OS 8. If you need to use applications that require Appearance manager, you really should run those applications on a machine running Mac OS 8. My thoughts exactly, especially on Power Macs. From my own testing and findings, this is what I believe to be true... Appearance Manager simply "skins" the System 7 user interface to look like Mac OS 8 - but still runs it largely under 68k emulation. Mac OS 8, on the other hand, appears to have more PowerPC native code in the user interface, and runs the Platinum GUI faster. Of course, System 7 running it's native GUI is faster than all of them, despite being largely 68k emulated. Quote If you have a large enough hard drive, one option is to create a dual boot machine with both System 7 and Mac OS 8. It's quite easy to do and will prove a much better alternative to using Appearance in System 7. Also a very good option. You'll want to use the Startup Disk control panel to switch between multiple drives.
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Deni
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16 MB Posts: 24
Reply #9 on: February 18, 2008, 22:27
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So, are you saying that when I get my powerbook 1400cs (117mhz), I should run system 8? I'm a little confused; I thought system 7 was best for pre-g3 macs, but since I have a powerpc ,system 8 better cause it has more powerpc code? I mean, virtual drummer isn't exactly performance demanding... and it's really the only thing I need AM for. I'd like my system to overall be fastest as it can be otherwise.
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Deni
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16 MB Posts: 24
Reply #10 on: February 18, 2008, 22:29
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and doesn't running 68k code in emulation defeat the purpose of a powerpc?
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #11 on: February 18, 2008, 23:37
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OK you don't seem to be following. Mac OS 7.6 and Mac OS 8 have different amounts of PowerPC native code. System 7.1.2 was the first version of System 7 (and indeed any Mac OS) to run on PowerPC processors, and has the least. With each successive version, more and more native code was put into the System. Mac OS 8 does have more PowerPC native code as part of the system than Mac OS 7.6, however Mac OS 7.6 is much leaner than Mac OS 8 - so much so that it outperforms Mac OS 8, even on PowerPC systems. Individual applications will continue to run on PowerPC code if they have any, regardless of which version of the system software you have installed. The issue we're specifically addressing, especially for excessively slow PowerPC systems such as a 117mhz cache-less PowerBook 1400, is that Appearance Manager running under System 7 runs slower than both System 7's default GUI and Mac OS 8's default GUI. The fast System 7 GUI is one of the biggest reasons to run System 7 on the slower computers in the first place. Appearance Manager defeats that as one of the reasons. An easier way to think of it is this: Fastest - System 7 GUI on System 7 Middle - Mac OS 8 GUI on Mac OS 8 Slowest - Mac OS 8 GUI on System 7 It's up to you to decide how vital Virtual Drummer 7 is, and whether you want to run it in System 7 with AM or in Mac OS 8. We can't really make those decisions for you, only clarify the differences. Some of us (including myself) prefer to stick with the System 7 user interface, because of the speed, but also the cleaner minimalist appearance, and to avoid Appearance Manager bugs. Others seem to be fine with the Mac OS 8 interface, and so choose that. All the software available for download on this site is tested to verify that it works without Appearance Manager - you'll notice that none of the screenshots in the Software Guide feature Appearance Manager.
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Deni
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16 MB Posts: 24
Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 05:39
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I think I'll just go with mac os 8. I'm afraid that somehow AM will slow down all my apps somehow, even if they don't need the 8 GUI.
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wall
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256 MB Posts: 343
Reply #13 on: February 19, 2008, 15:44
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It's easy for yourself to test if the AM slows down or give you other problems in your Mac, with the apps you are using. Run it with and then without the AM, that's all there is to do. It's easy to take it out of your OS, if you decide against using it. No harm done. There is no such thing as the best OS, app or computer. Everything is in oneway or another a compromise. If something work for you, be happy and use it.
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