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helloimjoe
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on: August 28, 2007, 01:21
Hi! My performa has an ethernet card and it doesn't work when I go though our netgear router. If I just unplug the cable that goes from the modem to the router and plug that into the computer it works fine, but not if I try to take a cable and go from the router into the mac. Any ideas? Thanks. |
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madmann
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Reply #1 on: August 28, 2007, 01:48
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that is strange it sounds like the router i use a d-link wbr 2310 with mac os 7.6.1 to 10.4.10 with no problems file sharing internet etc
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #2 on: August 28, 2007, 01:51
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Quote from: "helloimjoe" Hi! My performa has an ethernet card and it doesn't work when I go though our netgear router. If I just unplug the cable that goes from the modem to the router and plug that into the computer it works fine, but not if I try to take a cable and go from the router into the mac. Any ideas? Thanks. "Doesn't work" can include a number things and it is always helpful if you state what aspects are not working. Assuming the router is working with other computers, you can check the router from those machines, with the Mac connected to see if the router sees the Mac. If another computer works with the router you can move it to the port you are plugging the Mac into to see if the port itself is working. Your Networking software may be assigning an address that falls outside the range of addresses the Router supports. If the router uses DHCP then you need to make sure your networking software is set to use DHCP as well. Router ports can often be set as uplink ports and if the port you are using is set as an uplink port it will not communicate with the Mac. 10/100 and 10/100/1000 routers and network cards often require a higher grade of cabling. bill
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helloimjoe
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Reply #3 on: August 28, 2007, 02:32
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I tested the port on My ibook and it worked, then I hooked the ibook in with a diffent port and hooked up the performa. The ibook dosen't find the performa in the network browser and they both have appletalk turned on. The cable is just an ethernet cable that came from walmart not that long ago and I have used it before from when I had my Airport Express hooked up to it... which worked fine. I don't know anything else about the cable. The router is showing the I.P. adress as much lower than what it normally is... the main computer that controls the router is a windows pc (not mine!!!) but I don't even think it has the router software installed on it.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #4 on: August 28, 2007, 03:15
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Most newer routers have a web site based interface built into them and can be configured from just about any system with a web browser. For a local network one expects to see network address in the range of 192.xxx.xxx.xxx. My router limits the usable address range to 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.100. The router itself is 192.168.0.1 and typing in http://192.168.0.1 will bring me to the built in web configuration site. This site is password protected. If you know the range of address that the router can use, you can open the Mac TCP control panel and set an address for you machine. This is done by selectin manual for the configuration method and then entering an IP address. You probably will be asked for a subnet mask which is typically 255.255.255.0. You might also need to provide the router address which is generally either 192.168.0.0 or 192.168.0.1. Changes are made on the fly and you will be asked to save the configuration. Save the configuration and if it does not work go back and create another configuration. Another thing to try is to reset the router with the Mac plugged in. A router reset will often force the router to re-evaluate the network that is present and show items it did not find when plugged in live. bill
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helloimjoe
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Reply #5 on: August 30, 2007, 05:31
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Ahh.. .couldn't get it to work so far... I can't find a way to reset the router, and the router seems to not want to let me log in with the http//192.168.1.1 thing so I'm gonna try to reinstall the software on the windows box it's hooked up too... the software was never reinstalled after the system completely lost it's mind and didn't work... typical! I'm gonna try that though... i just really hate using that computer!
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wall
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256 MB Posts: 343
Reply #6 on: August 30, 2007, 21:04
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Quote from: "helloimjoe" Ahh.. .couldn't get it to work so far... I can't find a way to reset the router... My Linksys wireless router has a very small button (or was it a hole for a paperclip?) on its backpanel to reset it. Done it (twice!) after forgetting my passwords. The routers address is the 192.168.1.1, user: admin, password: admin, in its factory settings. Check these from your router's manufacturer's site.
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helloimjoe
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Reply #7 on: August 31, 2007, 18:44
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So your saying that password will change when you have wireless security enabled? I assumed that it was the same... I suppose that's why! Thanks I'll try that.
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wall
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256 MB Posts: 343
Reply #8 on: September 03, 2007, 02:20
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If you reset the router from a button on its case, it will go back to the factory settings. Then you will have access to its configuration panel by your browser, even if someone had gave the router user/password you do not know. Just use the ones from manufacturers specs, you should not need a pc for the job, mac should work. You should not need to install any driver or other software for the router either. This is only to let you log in, to be able to change settings of your router, rather than to fix the Performa connection problem. Hoping I am not stating the obvious, but: First thing to do after you are in, is to change the user/password of the router for something personal for security reasons. Please note, that all the earlier settings will be wiped out, so you have to name your network and open wireless connection. First write the networks name in your ibook's wlan setup. Then broadcast without WEP for your laptop to connect. Then turn broadcasting off and WEP on. Write the new encryption key in your ibook wlan setup and turn WEP on. Restart the book. You could do all this WEP etc in one go, but this way there is less things to go wrong. Now it could be easier to tackle the Performa problem and follow wove's advice.
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helloimjoe
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Reply #9 on: September 03, 2007, 06:11
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Well still no go. I reset the router. connected with my ibook, and set it all up with the performa plugged in the whole time. I tried manually setting the tcp/ip connection with and IP adress of 192.168.1.3 right inbetween what the ibook and pc have. I'm sure the subnet mask and router address are right too. Still though the router dosen't recognize it in the attached devices part of th maintenance page and the router dosen't have an indicator light on saying it sees anything in that port. Any more ideas perhaps? Thanks for all the help by the way... I'm somewhat untalented at older computers!
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #10 on: September 03, 2007, 15:06
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Perhap our solutions have gotten the cart ahead of the horse and it is time to step back to more basic solutions. Solutions proposed have been based on the network card being an Apple Card or the ethernet port being buit onto the motherboard. If the card is a third party card plugged in then the matter may be that there are no drivers present for the card. A green light on the back of the card simply indicates that it is plugged into a network. It is done in hardware and it is not an indication that the card is functional. If you have a system profiler installed it would be useful to know what kind of ethernet card you have and also the specific Performa model. bill
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helloimjoe
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Reply #11 on: September 03, 2007, 17:50
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Well I know the card is functional because it works fine on the internet when you just plug the cord going from the cable modem into the computer. The computer is a performa 6200cd, and the card (i am told from ebay) is an Asante card which is in the LC/PDS slot.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #12 on: September 04, 2007, 03:16
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If you set it up plugged directly into the modem again, could you supply the configuration information in the networking control panels. It almost seems that somehow it gets an IP address from the modem, but does not get one from the router. Both the router and modem would typically supply the card/Mac with an address via DHCP. I am at a loss, perhaps someone with a better understanding of how these device talk to and configure each other will provide some useful insight. bill
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wall
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Reply #13 on: September 04, 2007, 20:24
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Quote from: "helloimjoe" Well I know the card is functional because it works fine on the internet when you just plug the cord going from the cable modem into the computer. It is a good thing you have been able to pinpoint the problem to the router. I am only a macpoweruser and all my knowledge is of skindeep practical variety. I can keep my macs ticking, but do not really know why they are ticking, see. In your shoes I would try all possible and impossible combinations in the router's configuration table. If I would end up to my neck in it, I would just reset the router to get back to where I started from and carry the Performa somewhere to plug it into an other router. If it would work there, then copy all the settings to the troubled router. If it still would not work, I'd buy another router with permission to return it incase it doesn't want to play either. In S7T is a thread by "pyrophoric". He solved a wifi problem, maybe there is something you have not thought of yet. Could there be a generation gap of hardware here? iBook and pc working, but not a Performa?
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helloimjoe
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Reply #14 on: September 05, 2007, 01:30
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I've tried pretty much everything I could think of... changing cords, ports, ip addressess, reseting the router with the performa plugged in, copying the settings off the ibook, I just don't know! I'm not sure what you mean from the hardware gap but the pc is windows xp and the ibook is mac os 9.2... there's also a new white imac upstairs, and a 2005 mac mini connected wirelessly too. I really don't want to have to buy a new router for this, (jobless high school students tend to not have much money!) so if it means I would just have to keep going right from the modem into the performa than so be it, but it would be nice if I didn't have to.
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