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wove
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on: January 07, 2024, 14:02
I downloaded the original install disks (iso) for the 2006 MBP. These should install Tiger 10.4.8 and all the extra goodies that came with the machine. Since disk 1 is 5.5GB and disk 2 is 8.1GB I ordered some dual layer DVDs, and used K3B in Linux to burn the iso to the media. The burn went well and the media was created. However the installer media created does not boot the machine. The media is readable on a booted machine and looks to contain all the parts needed, but it will not boot the machine. Holding down the "C" key on boot get the drive spinning and chugging along, but in the end it just spits the DVD out. I did the burn again incase the first was a bust, while it again was a successful burn, again there was no joy in booting the machine. Since the media is $2 a piece and I only bought 5 pieces I hate to just keep wasting them. I am hoping someone might have some pointers to help me out. I am not sure how reliable the old super drives are in my Macs, so I have not tried buring the iso on a Mac. Would that be better? I tried to make a bootable thumb drive using the "restore" function in Disk Utility, but the "scan for restore" function always exits with an error. Using a utility like Etcher or Raspberry Pi Imager creates a USB thumb drive, but like the DVDs, they are not bootable. Anyway I am at a loss, if anyone has any ideas, please let me know. |
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mrdav
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8 MB Posts: 15 System 7 Newcomer!
Reply #1 on: January 08, 2024, 12:12
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I have found that burning from the Finder on a Mac will sometimes give the desired bootable disc when other methods do not. However, if using a Mac to burn is not an option then I'm not sure what you can do.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #2 on: January 08, 2024, 13:46
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Thank you for responding to my post. I spent way too much time yesterday afternoon and evening trying to sort this mess out. What I was able to sort out, is that the images from the Internet Archive are just no good. It appears that the images were created on Windows or Linux machine, and in the process many of the files came out being of the wrong type. The config files are mostly all listed as being executables, when they should be either plain text or xml files. There is even a couple "alias" on the image that are shown as executable. What I have been doing is comparing the files on the downloaded 10.4.8 installer with the files on my Tiger retail DVD, and trying to set everything right. In many cases the files from the retail DVD contain the same text as the images and I can simply copy to a thumb drive I am piecing together. It is just slow going. I have been able to create USB that starts to boot the process, but runs into trouble as new incorrectly identified files are come across. It is proving to be very frustrating and tedious.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #3 on: January 09, 2024, 03:29
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Well just to bring this to a close. I tried a different tact this morning. I still had no joy. So unless I find a different source for the iso files, or I come across the actual media itself, I am going to just close this attempt down at least for the time being.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB  Posts: 2023
Reply #4 on: January 10, 2024, 06:29
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wove, are there maybe different variations of the same model? I know that some PowerPC iMacs or eMacs look identical on the outside and may have the same specs but were released at different times and all came with their own machine specific installers. The original CD that came with one wouldn't boot the other. Can you 100% verify it is the correct software for your machine? The described error would fit.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #5 on: January 10, 2024, 14:12
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The problem is that the iso images from the Internet Archive will never boot any Mac. The images do burn to a DVD fine. However all the config, and plist files show up on the resulting DVD as being Unix executable files. There are several files listed that on a real OS X installer are alias files, that again show up as Unix executable files. And of course Unix/OSX has hundreds of these files, which all would need to be corrected. This laptop shipped with 10.4.8. The last retail installers made by Apple were 10.4.6, which would install on the late 2006 iMacs. And all the later versions of Tiger were all done via software update. The late 2006 C2D MacBook Pros came with their own specific 10.4.8(?) installers. This was also the time when Hackintosh was starting to take off, and one of the comments mentions how these work well for creating a Hackintosh. My guess is that someone using a Windows(?) machine created these ISOs using imaging software that had no understanding of Mac file or format structure.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #6 on: January 10, 2024, 17:08
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Unfortunately, that happens sometimes with the Internet Archive. I'm thankful for anyone investing his/her free time to image software and preserve it - but this does more harm than good. (potentially dozens of people wasting DVDs to get something working that can't by nature) You may be more lucky with the Macintosh Garden. I didn't find it doing a quick search, but you can always open a thread in the requests section and friendly people will try to help you. (hi, mrdav  )
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #7 on: January 11, 2024, 01:47
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Well I did get Tiger installed on the 2006 17” MBP. The Internet Archive can be lauded for saving older items, but there is a lot of messiness in finding items and in the quality of the archived material. I did find an installer for Tiger 10.4.8 using just “10.4.8” as a search term. This upload was a .dmg file, with the poster noting it was a machine specific installer, and it was created on a machine running OS X. The only problem I had was that the machine it was specific to has 2 DVD installers, with the first calling the second to finish the install. I worked around this bump, by simply deselecting most of the items for install. That worked and with more sleuthing I found items like Photo Booth and Front Row as independent installers. Tiger and Leopard PPC are still reasonably supported but for x/86 it is a huge waste land. Snow Leopard is about as far back as currently usable networking applications go. So support for 10.4/10.5 on Intel is very bleak. Snow Leopard appears to be treated as the base for x86 software. I did the install on new(ish) drive, saving my Lion install so I could retreat back to it. Snow Leopard is more respected than Lion, but for me Lion is the first OS where iCloud is a first class citizen. I started with dotMac back on OS 9, so for 25 years, my mail, calendars, address book and such has been all synced up. Actually that seems impressive to me that Lion was the first Mac OS X version with iCloud, and iCloud still works flawlessly on Lion. That is 14 years.
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #8 on: January 11, 2024, 04:30
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Great. This one goes all the way up to 11  10.4.11 that is: Mac OS X 10.4.11 Tiger Combo Update (Intel) I found there were some important features that required this final update (but so long ago now, I've forgotten exactly what). Both downloads on that page are required, if you haven't already updated. I don't know if the updates are still available from Apple, either way would do. The ones from the MG are good.
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #9 on: January 11, 2024, 04:48
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The updates are still available via the Software Update in the Apple Menu. As is by now just a knee jerk reaction it was the first thing I did. (As far as I can recall I never did use Jave, but Tiger has more Java updates than anything else.) I am posting this from Safari 4.1.3. It works almost as well as Cyberdog, but damn if this had the Classic Environment I would be here with Cyberdog.
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