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cballero
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Reply #30 on: August 06, 2023, 15:36
It might sound like overkill but word processors can save to text so conceivably you could write html code with them as well. I'm partial to WriteNow. I wonder if anyone's tried this though and if it would be worth the trouble? I used to use a Win 95 dedicated freeware html text editor called Home site v1.2 by Nick Bradbury that colorized the code tags which made things much easier. I even recall reaching out to him about a Mac port but IIRC while he liked the idea, it was too late by the time I asked because he had handed the reins to another software company that by then started developing and selling newer versions of his program so he couldn't work on it anymore. I think I even approached the new company with the same question but at the time they didn't see the point of developing for a much much smaller niche Mac market  Here's a screenshot: http://home.ubalt.edu/abento/homesite/screen-view.gif Now that would be a neat trick right there! We could use a Classic Mac program that could do this. The program also allowed you to click on a built-in directory and immediately opened an html file on a new tab and edit it! It was (is) a little html Swiss army tool that I always dreamed of someday having on my little Macs!  Oh, and I'm sure 68040 has all of us beat was far as working in a Mac environment, except of course one could argue that he's in an emulator so it arguably wouldn't be a fair challenge, lol  As for me, I do vacilate between real PPC Macs and my emulated 68k as well  My main block is that my only working Mac is a Beige running 8.1 so it's just outside of the parameters for the summer challenge (although arguably pretty close and far as things it'll run and stuff
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Last Edit: August 06, 2023, 16:25 by cballero
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB  Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #31 on: August 06, 2023, 17:35
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Strange about the file saving error you're experiencing. Can't seem to replicate with BBEdit on my PowerBook either. Strange indeed. About the "PC files". It's just "normal" files without a resource fork added. They will open just fine with BBEdit or any other editor once they are on the Mac. Nothing will break so to say
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #32 on: August 07, 2023, 07:38
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Quote from: 3lectr1c: "Did a test to see what BBEdit would do with the formatting and it looks like it doesn't work interchangeably with PCs and .html and such. The file BBEdit saved came out as !TESTHTM.L, when I had saved it as "test html" on the mac."@3lectr1c: This outcome was not caused by BBEdit. This is a direct result of the file-name mangling caused by Apple's "PC Exchange" on classic 7.x systems. Even though System 7.6 introduced long file naming with PC Exchange, it only affects the contents of a DOS formatted container on the Mac side. That is, at the Mac end, files that you copy into a DOS formatted container (floppy or other removable disk etc), still look correct. But once you take them over to the Windows side you find that the file names are in a DOS 8x3 naming convention. So your "test html" gets all caps truncated and renamed with the first seven characters plus a "!" to make up the eight characters as "!TESTHTM" and the trailing period "." plus "L" for the 3 letter suffix (it wouldn't surprise me if there were 2 spaces after the "L" in that suffix). Also of significance is your naming the file "test html", that is, files going to a Windows platform need to have a period "." and a three (sometimes four) letter suffix in the file name, otherwise Windows won't know what the file is meant to be opened with. It's not going to make sense of any file labeled with a ".L" suffix, is it? If you had named the file "test.htm" or "test.html" the result on the Windows side would be "!TEST.HTM". Not ideal, but at least Windows would have been able to deal with it better. Quote "If anyone's got an idea on how to get around this, I'd love to hear it."Yes. In the Mac's Control Panels, open the Extensions Manager and switch off PC Exchange to disable it. Go to the Mac Garden and download either DOS Mounter 95 or DOS Mounter 98 and install one of them on your PowerBook. Reboot to use. You'll find that either one of these will solve many problems WRT file transfers between System 7 Macs and PC's. Long filename support is built into both and work in both directions not just at the Mac end. A file named "a_rather_long_name.htm" will arrive at the Windows side as "a_rather_long_name.htm" -ditto in reverse. That is, no file name mangling. Also, DOS Mounter 95/98 is very configurable for setting the file types as to how you want them to arrive on your Mac. (view the screenshots on their respective pages for those hints). Apple's PC Exchange may have improved over the years, but in System 7 OSs, it was still in its infancy and had obvious flaws. A call out to @wove too, should you read this one, if you haven't come across DOS Mounter 95 before and you still run System 6 and share files across platforms, then take it for a spin on 6. DM 95 runs on System 6 and 7 and supports long filenames in 6 too. If anyone has used Apple's "File Exchange" software before, will appreciate this "miracle". ;-)
Last Edit: August 09, 2023, 04:19 by MTT
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Knezzen
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Administrator 512 MB Posts: 608 Village idiot
Reply #33 on: August 07, 2023, 11:14
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Really informative as always, MTT! Great read
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #34 on: August 08, 2023, 15:19
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I second this. You don't stop to amaze me with your detailed knowledge, MTT. :-) Finding this kind of knowledge gets extremely hard these days. Would you be OK if we'd add this to the Help Center on the page?
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #35 on: August 09, 2023, 01:53
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@Knezzen, Bolkonskij - Thanks for your kind words. Of course. If anything is in there that you think could be useful, it should be reused. -posted via Basilisk II (ancient build 142) which currently thinks it's a Quadra 800. Using iCab 2.9.9, and Mac OS 7.6.1 BTW, iCab is failing to render the site's "smiley" icons here, and will show this odd icon instead, plus the text based smiley being used. Otherwise iCab 2.9.9 is an almost flawless browser when it comes to S7Today. -Wishing the Mac Garden could be as friendly to iCab
Last Edit: August 09, 2023, 04:21 by MTT
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #36 on: August 09, 2023, 12:55
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Oh, the smilie issue is strange. I do get the smilie images in your last post and I'm on iCab 2.9.9 as well. Here's a screenshot. Could this be a setting somewhere? ("convert text smilies to images") Or are the smilie images missing from your installation? I find the Garden to be useable on iCab 2.9.9. I actually already uploaded stuff directly from my IIci to the Garden and it works. But, of course, I get what you mean. The design isn't pretty and it's a tad bit slow. Still, it works for retrieving AND uploading / editing stuff.
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #37 on: August 09, 2023, 13:57
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Maybe it's just my Basilisk II setup... I have since figured it out. For some reason iCab (on my B2) thinks that the smiley's are missing images, but there's a command under the "View" menu called "Load Missing Images" (Command + Y) which fetched the smiley icons into the page. Also in iCab's preferences under Web Content > Images, IFrames > check all boxes for the Images setting. This seems to have fixed the issue for me. Anyway all's now well with iCab, its smileys and me
Last Edit: August 09, 2023, 14:01 by MTT
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MTT
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256 MB Posts: 394 SSW7 Oldtimer
Reply #38 on: August 11, 2023, 05:26
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Quote from: Bolkonskij: "Finding this kind of knowledge gets extremely hard these days."
Last Edit: August 11, 2023, 05:58 by MTT
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #39 on: August 13, 2023, 16:48
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Amazing find, MTT! Got it bookmarked right away, need to study it.
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #40 on: August 13, 2023, 23:09
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Well, not sure if I could survive an all out challenge this summer but given that I'm off project right now I got back to fiddling around with Extensis Portfolio. And to no surprise of mine it proved worthy of all the attention it got. I was able to not just import a Fetch catalog with a thousand objects, but the program also auto-corrected the changed path settings once I had moved the darn database to my internal drive.
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