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24bit
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on: December 04, 2010, 20:30
A shame but true, Amazon and EveryDNS among others, try to cut out the freedom of information. The wiki can still be accessed here: http://www.wikileaks.ch/ http://213.251.145.96/ |
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #1 on: December 04, 2010, 23:50
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I completely understand why corporations don't want to be associated with this introvert and his vendetta against the United States. It's not a matter of "freedom of information" - every government has information that serve their citizenry best not to disclose. And what exactly has these releases accomplished? So far they're largely the personal thoughts and observations of diplomats. What use does that serve other than to make the sources blush?
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mac2geezer
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64 MB Posts: 68
Reply #2 on: December 05, 2010, 04:50
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I disagree Dan. If you read some of those cables they are almost always boringly routine and should never have been classified in the first place. The only motivation for most government secrecy is officials in CYA mode, to avoid possible embarrassment. But the fundamental issues is that information should be public. Without information the people in a "democracy" are basically helpless to combat official lies. I salute wikileaks; more power to them. I also will never spend a dime at Amazon because of their cowardly action.
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 23:18
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Quote from: "mac2geezer" Without information the people in a "democracy" are basically helpless to combat official lies. And what exactly is the tally of "official lies" revealed by the leaks so far? Quote I also will never spend a dime at Amazon because of their cowardly action. That's your loss.
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24bit
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64 MB Posts: 91
Reply #4 on: December 08, 2010, 19:24
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Excuse me boys, I am afraid you are both right. The cables did not reveal much new or interesting stuff. In fact, most of it is rather dull. Do you remember the young man, who preserved records about jewish accounts from being destroyed at a Swiss bank? Later we knew, there wasn't much in those records. The employee who rescued the material was prosecuted by law afterwards and lost his job. And this I feel, is the point. It isn't the content of the messages, but the fact, that we the people, are the sovereign in modern communities. Nobody is supposed to decide for us, which information has to be revealed and which has to be kept secret. There is already enough lying and cheating, going on on this planet.
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PB540fanatic
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4 MB Posts: 7
Reply #5 on: December 10, 2010, 02:21
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I don't have much of an opinion either way. I just see the whole situation as 'interesting' as hell to watch all this play out.
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mac2geezer
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64 MB Posts: 68
Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 04:44
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[And this I feel, is the point. It isn't the content of the messages, but the fact, that we the people, are the sovereign in modern communities. Nobody is supposed to decide for us, which information has to be revealed and which has to be kept secret. ] 24Bit nailed the essence of the issue right there.
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Lichen Software
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128 MB Posts: 252 
Reply #7 on: December 12, 2010, 13:10
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1. The history of whistle blowers in general is one of being crucified for their trouble. Even in the case of really important information, they are pilloried for disloyalty. They have to question the veracity of anyone they would disclose to. Wikileaks is a one stop drop off centre. I don't think that they are particulary tareting the U.S. This just happens to be where the latest leak comes from. This is really important in that you now have an international publisher that cannot be bought off, to the consternation of nations and corporations. It takes the place of investigative reporters in an era when news as opposed to ideology was king. The reporters are still honest I believe, but the media outlets are owned by people with their own personal adgenda, especially in the States. The media loyalty would prohibit publication in some publication families. And now these familes are quite large and represent a very large segment of the total publishing universe in any country. 2. There is much that is put under a veil of secrecy as a matter of course. From government, people are far less accepting of this. They have been lied to repeatedly and the lies have been outed. There is a lack of trust and an overwhleming desire for both inside knowledge and transparency. In jokes, the "World's Biggest Lie" used to be Your cheque is in the mail. Now it is I'm from the government and I am here to help you. I find it reassuring that most of what has been leaked is really dull and boring, personal opinion and really of no consequence. The release of this information while "impolite" is not in any way earth shaking. It just lifts a veil that should never have been there. 3. From the perspective of the "Leakee", this is actually a far better system in the long run than espionage where the leaked info goes to another government or corporation. They know they have been breached. Most of the time they can figure out how and do some corrections. They know what damage is done immediately as opposed to 20 years later. 4. This is a "System In Evolution". The rules are not yet written. Right now any gaming advantage appears to be to the "Leaker". I predict the "Leakee's" will very quickly learn how to use this same system. In the mean time the "Leakee's" will cry loudly as that is one form of damage control. 5. I have no idea how much editorial control is exerted over leaked info. So I can't comment as to putting people's life at risk etc. On the other hand, taking a look at the Valery Plame case (not sure of spelling here), apparently you don't have to use Wikileaks to go that route.
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