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CyberMonkey
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on: July 08, 2008, 13:56
When I had my 8600 case open I decieded to install my Radeon 7000 PCI Card. It's a PC card that I reflashed on my PC with the generic 32kb mac firmware to use on my 8600. I used a flash kit that I downloaded from here: http://mattst88.com/?page=ati The problem I am having is running the ATI Radeon 7000 v208 Firmare Updater under OS 9.2. The utility does not update the card at all. Selecting to update with either firmware version 1.19 or 2.08 just returns the same error. The error I am getting is a message which says "Slot-C1:RV100-A12" Just when it's about to start the card update process. What's the cause of this issue? The Apple system profiler reports a 'generic' display card is present but can't report much else about it. I assume that this is normal as all of the flash guides I read said that the updater is the final step to making this card fully mac compatible. |
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CyberMonkey
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 13:58
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Oops, you may want to move this to the "Peripherals & Upgrades" section. My Bad.
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CyberMonkey
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 14:57
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Bump. Anyone?
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wove
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1024 MB Posts: 1363
Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 23:21
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You have a Mac with on board video, so I would try and flash the card on the 8600. The Old StrangeDogs site is probably your best source of ROMs and information about flashing video cards on the Mac. I think you will find needed ROMs, useful utilities and informative guides. If you run the utilities using the onboard video, you can see what you are doing and how the work is progressing. If you have a second monitor you can see if or when the card begins working. Be aware that you will probably need to be in OS 9 for any utilities mentioned about to work. I have never flashed a video card for PC on a PC, but I have used ROMs from the above source to change some operating characteristics of Macs cards. bill
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gillham
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16 MB Posts: 30
Reply #4 on: September 07, 2008, 18:53
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Are you sure this video card has a 128KB flash rom? Many PC reflashes have 64KB flash roms and use a "reduced" 128KB flash rom that has had the NDRV stripped to make it fit in the 64KB flash. I have one and it doesn't seem to work with an old world Mac rom, but works with new world. E.g. my B&W G3 likes it fine, my 9600 doesn't. I have a PC reflash that has a 128KB flash rom on it and it worked fine with an ATI updater that had been modded slightly. -Andrew
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CyberMonkey
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #5 on: September 27, 2008, 14:17
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I tried to reflash the card with the BIOS image I found on Mac Elite but when I put the card back in my PC to reflash it, I just got BIOS error beeps and the PC wouldn't boot. I will assume that the PC doesn't like the card as it doesn't have firmware that will co operate with a PC. Ot have I stuffed the card by putting a bad BIOS on it? Is it possible to perform the complete flash process on a mac? Mac Elite only speaks of using the ATi flash utility on a PC in 'DOS' mode.
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gillham
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16 MB Posts: 30
Reply #6 on: September 27, 2008, 20:49
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You can't use the flashed video card as the PC's primary display anymore. So that is probably why you just got beeps. You need another working video card and an extra slot for the Mac flashed card. There is a tool Graphiccelerator that will allow you to change the clock speed of a ROM and reflash on the Mac side. This can also be used to do a full reflash. Basically it mods the ATI flash tool so it will flash a modded rom. I found another tool to help with that but I can't remember the name and my Mac is not plugged in out in the garage right now. I will try to find the page again, if I can't I'll fire up the old Mac.
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CyberMonkey
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #7 on: September 29, 2008, 09:43
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The PC card that I was trying to reflash wasn't being used as the primary display at the time of the BIOS beeps (I was using AGP Radeon card). I think it might just be my PC motherboard failing to recognise the PCI card or somthing. As for Graphiccelerator, is there an OS 9 version? Or any other OS 9 compatible flash utilities?
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gillham
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16 MB Posts: 30
Reply #8 on: September 30, 2008, 01:49
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Make sure the PC bios has "init display first" (or similar) set to AGP. It might be set to PCI by default. The flash stuff I was using was under 10.2. I'll fire up the machine in the garage tonight and try to get some more details for you.
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CyberMonkey
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #9 on: September 30, 2008, 15:20
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Okay, I managed to get my PC to boot into DOS environment with the BIOS graphics settings changed as you suggested. I tried a 128k mac rom and I get a write error at 65536 bytes. Is the ROM file too big for the card?
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gillham
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16 MB Posts: 30
Reply #10 on: September 30, 2008, 19:56
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Yes, this means you have a PC card with only 64KB. It won't hold a full 128KB Mac ROM. You can flash it with a reduced ROM that will work, at least with newer Macs. Search Google for "reduced ppc radeon 7000 rom" and you should see a link for themacelite that has more information. I have two 7000s, one with 64KB and one with 128KB. Only the 128KB one with a full Mac ROM worked in my 9500, but the 64KB with a reduced ROM worked in a Beige G3. To get a screaming 7.6.1 system I think you need a 128KB model. At least if you want to use it as the primary display. I haven't tested all options, so YMMV.
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CyberMonkey
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16 MB Posts: 28
Reply #11 on: October 01, 2008, 14:40
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I've located 3 different reduced ATi ROMs on Mac Elite. I will give them a go. Will the v208 update be able to run on a 64kb rom card? Does it even need the update on it to work? Is there a reason why the 64kb roms don't function well with older macs?
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gillham
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16 MB Posts: 30
Reply #12 on: October 02, 2008, 20:33
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Once you have an image flashed on the PC side, you should not attempt to run any ATI Updater on the Mac. The reason is that a *real* Mac Radeon has 128KB so the rom image and software requires 128KB. The reason people were able to reduce a 128KB ROM to 64KB was by stripping out the native driver or "NDRV" resource in the ROM. I believe New World macs don't really need this to be present in the ROM while Old World macs won't be able to use the display without it. At least as the primary display. Anyway, you really need a 128KB card if you want to use it on some of the oldest (7.6.1 friendly) pci macs.
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