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Europa
64 MB  Posts: 109 she/her 
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Reply #30 on: July 02, 2025, 21:13
Awesome! Thanks for the updates, and looking forward to seeing what the weekend brings 
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #31 on: July 03, 2025, 06:32
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Posted from PowerBoo 180 via vespernet using netscape 3 (screenshot in all 16 shades of grey glory soon)
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fogWraith
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32 MB Posts: 59
Reply #32 on: July 05, 2025, 20:20
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More output, more messages, more lauland-safe! Version 1.5.1 of the bridge is available for testing. Stability improvements across the board, bit better handling on the backend as well. That or the server ran out of orphaned children to kill.
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fogWraith
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32 MB Posts: 59
Reply #33 on: July 09, 2025, 22:40
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Another exciting update, which does involve the PPP magic to some extent ... look at this pretty picture So, here we have battle.net (for testing purposes), battle.net is a QEMU VM with Mac OS 8 (68k), the start parameters excludes ethernet, there is no port forwarding. It only has access to serial (modem port). battle.net "dials up" with help from the bridge software, registers the battle.net domain on the network domain registrar and points the domain to 10.0.0.1. Accessing this works exceptionally well for anyone else that "dials up" via the bridge software ... not so much for anyone only using the DNS server. A wild development snapshot makes an appearance, a random computer is forced to use the DNS server (connected via WiFi), hits up battle.net in the web browser - and wouldn't you know it, it appears that it is now possible to reach the "lowest layer". Don't you just love it when things just fall into place?
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #34 on: July 09, 2025, 23:33
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Wow!  so I'm taking that the DNS server you're running on your 68k Mac then serves your local 10.0.0.1 http web server to the battle.net web domain address via your tricked-out PPP connection? That's wild! Awesome feat, FogWraith; I love it! 
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fogWraith
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32 MB Posts: 59
Reply #35 on: July 10, 2025, 16:12
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Almost! The 68k Mac only uses the DNS server, in fact it's not even needed for this case specifically - the DNS runs off-site, as the good lord intended it, service separation 
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #36 on: September 10, 2025, 16:58
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So I wanted to test a few "unusual" devices with Vesper, and started working on that but ran into problems. I have a bunch of PDAs, but found only one of my palms has a web browser in rom AND a serial cradle. Meanwhile all the Windows CE "pocket" and "palm" pc's have internet explorer, but you have to deal with them being windows. I found a couple have serial cradles or cables that I could hook up to a null modem. I just didn't want to deal with all the stupid little Windows configuration via the complex menus to get PPP set up on them. Maybe I will one day when I'm really bored. For my Apple IIgs, I have an IDE hard drive card, with an adapter so it uses a 256m Compact Flash card. I found someone had made a disk image that comes with everything I'd need to test Vesper, tcp stack with ppp and even many internet apps like mail readers and a browser. Looked like I'd struck gold! I thought I could take the CF card out, and copy the image to it relatively easily via linux...but I was wrong. The card seems to be formatted FAT, and has four partitions, you can select which one the IIgs uses by holding down particular keys at boot time. But, the card is NOT just FAT, and doesn't seem to have a normal MBR partition table. Looking at a dumped image of it, I can see what might be one, but there is a bunch of mostly but not entirely empty space ahead of it, so maybe some sort of weird header?!? So I'm stuck. I could get all the individual packages and transfer them on floppy via mac...but that would involve unpacking and installing everything in the right places. And if you think using Stuffit or Compact Pro archive on ancient macs can be a pain...it is twice (or even more) painful on the IIgs where things were less standard, more weird, and limitations of disk and memory make things difficult. I probably don't know enough about "shrinkit" and other IIgs obscurities, and may or may not ever take the time to figure it out. I'm just not nearly as familiar with the IIgs as I am with Macs...a lot of knowledge transfers, but it is WAY more primitive.
Last Edit: September 10, 2025, 17:19 by lauland
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fogWraith
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32 MB Posts: 59
Reply #37 on: September 11, 2025, 10:54
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Well, once you're settled in with your old devices I'm sure it'll be a breeze to get going at least  Some fancy updates be coming soon-ish to multiple services, like WebDAV for the hosting, extended e-mail in case there will be more e-mail servers on the network (send and receive outside its own comfort zone, but remain -on- the network etc.)
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snes1423
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256 MB Posts: 458 A Man born of Mechina
Reply #38 on: September 11, 2025, 13:03
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any plans for a LimeWire revival or at the very least fixing the ancient versions of ITunes so that the store is replaced by open source music or something similar?
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lauland
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512 MB Posts: 674 Symtes 7 Mewconer!
Reply #39 on: September 11, 2025, 16:03
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I probably won't pursue the palm and windows ce devices because they are just such a pain to set up and use. I also already know that it is HIGHLY likely I could get them on Vesper, browse MG and S7T and post screenshots. It's like in my head I've already DONE that, and there's no point in actually doing it, if you know what I mean. The Apple IIgs I want to work on more, even if just to figure out how the "partitions" are set up. I'd love to be able to get software onto it more easily than via floppy, and to use that awesome disk image I found with so much already installed. It's also a far more interesting machine than the handhelds to me. I really want to get decent C compiler on it, and write software for it. But that is painful in of itself. FYI I'd already written software for palm and windows ce back in the day. One project I COULD work on, but probably won't since there's about 0% demand for it would be more modern SDL's for them. And I forgot my amigas. I think one of them already has PPP on it from the ancient days when I used it with an actual modem on the Internet when it was young. In theory it'd be relatively easy to get it on Vesper, but again...I already KNOW it will work. There's just far too many other projects to work on.
Last Edit: September 11, 2025, 16:05 by lauland
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #40 on: September 12, 2025, 07:14
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@FogWraith: WebDAV? Awesome! @Lauland: VesperNet's WebDAV implementation gives your 68k Goliath's build huge wings to go beyond things like the LAN phone WebDAV server I curently use it with, and you know that's huge, at least for me, lol! 
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