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Lichen Software
128 MB  Posts: 252  
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on: February 27, 2010, 17:16
Not for OS 7, but for classic emkail copied below: Letting Classilla bake a couple more weeks isn't likely to make it any better, so I'm releasing 9.1 today. I was unhappy with some of the bugs that snuck into 9.0.4, some of them not in portions of code I used much, but others I should have noticed, and a few of those regressions were serious. I've tried to avoid doing that in 9.1 and the most important regressions I introduced in 9.0.4 are now fixed. I am not fully happy with 9.1, but I think it is an important enough update to release even in its current form and I apologize to the community for not having beaten on 9.0.4 more before I released it. 9.1 is what 9.0.4 should have been. 9.1 is primarily a layout update. I managed to find a fix for infamous issue 65 that prevented layout from advancing further, and was able to restore the overflow branch. This layout update handles overflow space management much more correctly, which is an opaque way of saying that the blank spaces you see on a lot of sites in 9.0.4 will now be properly filled with content. In fact, 68KMLA renders right for the first time in any Mozilla-based browser on the classic Mac OS. This also means the dreadful experimental renderer hack is no longer needed, and has been removed. There are other minor layout fixes. These don't work 100% on all the pages that used to -- in particular Apple's nav bar gets "ghosted" for reasons I can't figure out -- but the number of sites that now work greatly outnumbers the ones that work less. Also, widget and view code have been revamped to avoid a number of the scrolling and graphical glitches that plagued 9.0.x. Many of the "scroll turd" bugs have been quashed by the overpainting scroller in this release. This makes scrolling a bit slower, but makes the display much higher quality. For the few sites that can't scroll correctly at all, there is a View > Use Slow Scroll which forces additional repaints (but is also slower still, as the name would suggest). Those sites are rare. Plugins can also now be disabled completely, which reduces a common source of display instability (turn off plugins if you don't have Flash). Finally, a few sites that hit worst-case scenarios during reflow now have a mitigation. While the sites will still appear to hang the browser, you can abort layout by holding down Cmd-. (Command-Period) and come to a safe halt without force quitting. This may cause the page to not fully lay out, but you can navigate on it, and the operation is safe and requires no restart. Paypal comes to mind here. Just as 9.0.4 was mostly a JavaScript update, so will 9.2. However, I really just need to rewrite it from scratch, and we'll talk more about that when test versions become available. 9.3 will be the next layout update, but I have to think about how to accomplish it. Despite being still mostly Mozilla code, Clecko has patches applied in different order and different ways, and it is getting harder to port arbitrary Mozilla code to it. It's still possible, but harder. However, a lot of porting will be needed to get a later Mozilla layout into Classilla, let alone everything else, and it may not even work. I have to weigh the best way to accomplish that. Right now, though, you can get it as always from www.classilla.org and have fun. -- ------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser@floodgap.com -- Of course, what I really want is total world domination. -- Linus Torvalds - |
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sierraredd
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128 MB Posts: 212
Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 06:15
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This looks interesting. I've read the documentation on the main classila site. I run a PB 1400 with a 333G3 sonnet card with 64 mb ram and 8.6 and I've got a 20gb hdd installed. So what would be the best settings for the memory?
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Lichen Software
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128 MB Posts: 252
Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 11:57
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Quote from: "sierraredd" This looks interesting. I've read the documentation on the main classila site. I run a PB 1400 with a 333G3 sonnet card with 64 mb ram and 8.6 and I've got a 20gb hdd installed. So what would be the best settings for the memory? I am running RAM Doubler and have Classila set to about 80 Mb sugested size.
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ClassicHasClass
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32 MB Posts: 39
Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 06:48
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The creator himself, who also uses Classilla on my PB1400, has my, I mean his, RAM set to 120MB. On the other hand I have a 466MHz in it, so I can put up with a little RAM compression. Um, he can. Even.
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Lichen Software
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128 MB Posts: 252
Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 12:22
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Quote from: "ClassicHasClass" The creator himself, who also uses Classilla on my PB1400, has my, I mean his, RAM set to 120MB. On the other hand I have a 466MHz in it, so I can put up with a little RAM compression. Um, he can. Even. LOL 1. Is this total virtual memory or memory assigned to Classilla? I have my total memory set to 160 Mb. and Classilla to 80 Mb. 2. You, er... The Creator, had posted at one time, that perhaps something could be done for System 7. Now I know that The Creator has been Umm... a little busy, to put it mildly, but is there anything coming up on the horizon on that front? 3. Classilla has serious memory demands (well for challenged machines anyway). Would those demands change if a stripped down version was released? Say the difference between Netscape Communicator with the total package and Netscape Navigator with browser only?
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JoAT
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32 MB Posts: 58
Reply #5 on: March 05, 2010, 18:14
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I wonder what you... er... I mean the creator would think of someone running Classilla on a 1400/166 with only 16mb of real RAM installed. Virtual memory being set to 100mb and all...
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #6 on: March 05, 2010, 19:05
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How about just the basics -- HTML, CSS and inline images -- in a trim lean browser for System 7? No JavaScript, no plugins, no mail, no composer, no "skins." Oh yeah, and NOT requiring Appearance Manager.
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ClassicHasClass
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32 MB Posts: 39
Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 07:24
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Sort of an omnibus reply. The 120MB figure for my RAMDoubled 9.1 1400 is total memory. I didn't change Classilla's memory allocation on purpose for testing. Yes, Mozilla is fat, but it gives me the best chance for something close to modern. Although there are things like WebKit's Origyn Web Browser, which I have seen running on AmigaOS (!!), I suffer no illusions as to how hard that would be to port to the classic Mac OS, nor any guarantees about any memory requirement. Since you are forcing my hand, I actually do have, in a partially working form, a System 7 browser. It does not support CSS yet, though it has some hooks for it, and I have to fix its inline image support. And that's all I'm going to say about that right now. I do intend to get it to a releaseable state, and it is written in a language that is freely available and easy to modify. The CSS support, however, will be a little different than people expect, because reflow sucks on 68K. More about that when my brain has finished the needed gyrations to put code to keyboard.
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ClassicHasClass
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32 MB Posts: 39
Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 07:28
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Quote from: "JoAT" I wonder what you... er... I mean the creator would think of someone running Classilla on a 1400/166 with only 16mb of real RAM installed. Virtual memory being set to 100mb and all... I'd think you were very brave.  But technically, I can't see anything wrong with that; it ought to work fine, just arduously slow.
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dpaanlka
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1024 MB Posts: 1646
Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 17:50
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Quote from: "ClassicHasClass" The CSS support, however, will be a little different than people expect, because reflow sucks on 68K.. You know many of us here run System 7 on like 300+ MHz PowerPC 604s, G3s and even some G4s LOL.
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Anonymous Freak
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32 MB Posts: 37
Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 08:32
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SOME may run Sys 7 on new(ish) hardware; but if you're going to support 7, I heartily endorse the idea of going whole-hog and supporting 68k machines, too. If by some miracle, he can shoehorn in full-blown 68000 support, I'd buy him a beer. (Even if it's massively limited functionality; it would just be fun to have something that at least PRETENDS to comprehend the modern HTML and HTTP standards, unlike most old browsers which fail so miserably even on the current google.com as to be unusable.)
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