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ShinobiKenobi
256 MB  Posts: 362 System 7 fan 
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on: March 11, 2024, 08:15
I downloaded 4 System 7.5.5 update disk images on MG. They have hqx extensions. I thought that was binhex format, so I tried to extract them using binhex 5.0, and it froze my computer extracting the second one. When I tried to make a floppy from the first file using Disk Copy 6.2, it says it doesn't have a recognized file type. A lot of my files have trouble opening, even though I try using the program the webpage I downloaded them from says to use. Sometimes they work fine. I verified the md5 using checksum 1.3, and it was right. Do you guys run into problems like this, or is it just user error  ?Edit: forgot to mention that Disk Copy doesn't even see the files when I try to open them using the open dialog. |
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Last Edit: March 11, 2024, 08:17 by ShinobiKenobi
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB  Posts: 2023
Reply #1 on: March 11, 2024, 08:21
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BinHex 5.0 is very old and likely not being able to open them, in fact, I have never tried. Interesting idea though. Go and get StuffIt 5, if you're on System 7. As for the files not being recognized, they may not have been archived correctly and need fixing on their type / creator entries. There's a gazillion programs out there for doing that, for nearly every Mac OS version under the sun. I use FileType on Mac OS 8/9 and File Buddy on System 7 - but like I said, there's dozens of such utilities and everybody tends to have his/her favorite. Pick one and fix the file and it should open by double-clicking again.
Last Edit: March 13, 2024, 09:29 by Bolkonskij
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ovalking
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128 MB Posts: 199
Reply #2 on: March 11, 2024, 14:20
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Those .hqx files opened fine for me with DiskCopy 6.3.3 Stuffit is not suitable for these. I suspect the problem is something to do with the way you are saving the files. e.g. choose SOURCE not TEXT for the format.
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cballero
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1024 MB Posts: 1176 System 7, today and forever
Reply #3 on: March 11, 2024, 18:46
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For most of my unstuffing, as Bolkonskij suggested, I like installing StuffIt Expander. I also like installing DropStuff to give my favorite Finder file browser, Greg's Browser, a Magic StuffIt menu! For the same reason, I like installing StuffIt Deluxe, which also gives the Finder a Magic StuffIt menu! You can get the StuffIt Deluxe 5.5, it's the ninth on this link: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/stuffit-deluxe Greg's Browser also comes with a special, built-in feature where you select a file or program in its window and press Command-Return to change its file type and/or creator code! It's the tenth download from this link: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/gregs-browser Finally, I updated my Disk Copy program to 6.3.3, the last version to work on 68k Macs as far back as System 7. Now for a dirty little secret: Apple made it so that you can only make self-extracting images, .smi files, on Mac OS 8.1 and up. Thankfully, Frédéric Blondiau released a small program called Make SMI that runs on System 7 and up to create .smi files, the only requirement is it needs to have a .smi file somewhere on the same volume ideally. Here are the Disk Copy, the seventh download, and Make SMI links: https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/disk-copy-6 http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/make-smi Why it matters to me: well, if I send or save Mac binary files on non-Mac systems and storage, I don't want to worry about what compression program version will be needed to open the archive, but by creating an image no compression tool is needed, and by making it self-extracting it mounts itself, so no program's needed to mount it either. Then I use either Magic Menu from the options I described above to encode the .smi image as MacBinary .bin file. A little extra work, I know, but it keeps things simple in the long run. And for what it's worth, if you mistakenly upload or email a .smi file, you can still copy it back to a Mac and mount it with Disk Copy 
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan
Reply #4 on: March 12, 2024, 00:24
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Ahhh okay, I didn't know to use source. Thank you guys for that awesome wisdom! 😊 That really helps a lot!
Last Edit: March 12, 2024, 00:28 by ShinobiKenobi
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68040
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512 MB Posts: 950 68k - thy kingdom come, thy will be done !
Reply #5 on: March 12, 2024, 09:43
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Please keep in mind that "way back when" certain file formats were in circulation for years, if not decades, before radical changes were made to the programs using them. And storage space was scarce, RAM even more so. Thus developers were often forced to abandon old standards to implement the new. Simply because they couldn't squeeze the code for the deprecated format in together with the newly developed routines. They had to think in a few MB if not KBytes. On the other hand that meant that tons of old files were now "unreadable" for the new prog version. Some developers managed to bypass these problems with shared libraries, external conversion tools and other techniques. But in the end it was always a "journey to Jerusalem". Last week I bought myself a 4TB SSD drive for less than four hundred US$ on Amazon. 30 years ago I could have stuffed the whole of the Internet into that silicon bar - and still had enough space left for the latest DOOM wad files. When we run too fast into the future, we tend to forget were we came from.
Last Edit: March 12, 2024, 09:48 by 68040
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan
Reply #6 on: March 13, 2024, 06:18
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Quote from: 68040 When we run too fast into the future, we tend to forget were we came from.I totally agree. I miss the old WWW. I loathe "modern" sites that bring in scripts from like 20 different domain names and require tons of system resources to render and run.
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Bolkonskij
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Administrator 1024 MB Posts: 2023
Reply #7 on: March 13, 2024, 09:19
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That's a great quote, indeed. And we tend to forget what this was originally all about. To connect people from around the world for an exchange of ideas, opinions and concepts. Hence the "information super-highway" analogy during the 90's. It wasn't intended to become a sales or spying highway, though that is what it turns out to have become. Luckily, we still got Gopher. Everybody should hop onto Gopher and create their own little spaces there. It's getting very lose to the original idea of an interconnected world and has zero commercialization.
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ShinobiKenobi
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256 MB Posts: 362 System 7 fan
Reply #8 on: March 13, 2024, 21:58
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That is a good idea, actually
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